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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein with Gene and

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cristiano para cast we have with us this

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week the once and only Don Ecker of the

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original Dark Matters radio show the

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once and only I don't know Don what do

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you think I think you're probably onto

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something there gene I just hope it's

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not contagious yes yes my wife has

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actually this past week been contagious

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but she's finally starting to snap

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around well that's good to hear

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when our cold you know yes we can't have

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any of that stuff where people are

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contagious before we get started with

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lots of interesting feedback on a number

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of subjects did you get a chance to

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listen to the show that we did with

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timothy hood no i have not yet heard

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that gene it's been interesting it's

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been a bit of a trip how so well is he

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part of the issue is that with timothy

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good I guess he tends to be forgiving

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and his standards for evidence is that

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putting it mildly

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that's certainly I guess possible it

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seems to be an affliction that at times

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afflict long time

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UFO paranormal researchers in some cases

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well how would you define it and why

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does it afflict UFO and paranormal

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researchers looking at it strictly from

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the UFO paranormal standpoint that after

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what 25 30 years of beating one's head

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upon the wall if for whatever reason you

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decide to continue with it then I think

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some people begin to

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I don't want to say get slipshod with it

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but some people may even if it's only

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subconsciously think why why go to all

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the hassle the bother you know but you

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know I I as far as Tim good is concerned

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I go all the way back to the 80s with

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good his original book above top secret

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I always thought was an excellent piece

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of work with the exception of and even

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then I guess perhaps he may have been a

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little guilty of it although we all have

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at some point but he allowed a real

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fraudster to slip in there guy Kirkwood

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aka Mel Noel and later when his book was

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was republished it's my understanding he

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had some of those people removed but you

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know originally it's one of those things

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that can happen gene okay but it looks

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to me like he was accepting an awful lot

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of things like for example to him George

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Adamski the famous or infamous contactee

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from the 50s and 60s the guy who was

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co-author of flying saucers have landed

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he was the real deal I almost thought

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well then he'd say that Billy Meyer is

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the real deal next well it's possible

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but you know hey I can only speak at the

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very bottom line for myself I can't

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speak for anybody else those are not

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people that I personally would entertain

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but on the other hand I'm not Tim good

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so you know

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caveat emptor let the buyer beware what

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about the theory here about hybrid

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aliens that et is evil several races of

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greys they're busy what are they doing

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they're busy going ahead and preparing

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us for my takeover hybridizing docility

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into the gene pool is hasn't worked very

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well has it

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I don't know Jerry working in in the new

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country of southern Sudan

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okay that's where were you asking me for

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my thoughts on that

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it helps okay number one we we if you're

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if you're a researcher and if you're

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honest I try to be honest I can't say

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with any degree of certainty that even

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one race much less multiple races are

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here I'm a suspect it

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I may over the years have seen cases

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that suggest that but the bottom line

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with me at this point is we're still

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talking about a heck of a lot of

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speculation I can't go into a court of

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law

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raise my hand and swear to anything

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about that

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so when it comes to tales of alien

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hybrids once again that's something that

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I personally have never seen any

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evidence of I've heard a heck of a lot

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of testimony and I've heard a lot of

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people that claim to have undergone

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those experiences now did they undergo

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any experience well once again I don't

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know but I I can tell you that that many

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of the people that I've interfaced with

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over the years were convinced they had

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undergone these experiences these

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procedures and even back in the in the

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early 90s a missing fetus I've talked to

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a number of people that have claimed

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that now back in those days we were

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working with a physician out here in in

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Southern California a doctor Richard

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Neal and I've told this story before

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on the parrot cast and Neal was one of

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those unusually rare scientists and

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doctors who was willing to look beyond

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what was on the surface and he wanted to

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pursue this as far as possible and he

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came to Vicki and I and asked if we

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would put him in touch with mr. Budd

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Hopkins and dr. Dave Jacobs because they

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were the primary people within the UFO

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community that were working with

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abductees and he wanted Hopkins and dr.

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Jacobs to put him in touch with the

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people that they were working with their

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clients to secure the clients permission

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to go to their physicians and open up

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their medical files so dr. Neal out here

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could look at them and neither Dave

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Jacobs Norbert Hopkins would assist him

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with that so you know this is just

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another instance of where the entire UFO

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arena were running around chasing our

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own tails and after all these years and

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I've been now involved in this morass

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for over 25 years I haven't seen a heck

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of a lot of improvement guys well I

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don't know I think a lot of people who

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listen to the show were somewhat

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disappointed that Tim good personable

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gentleman clearly has a lot of

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experience but he just was too willing

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to accept a few things that didn't have

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a good basis for backup well you know

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I'm coming from the background of being

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a police investigator and to me if

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you're working on one of these cases

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evidence is the key as much evidence as

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can be collected

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so without a heck of a lot of evidence

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once again all we're left with are some

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wonderful stories to say the very least

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but nothing much beyond a story and I

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won't get into that controversy that

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David Jacobs had with one of his

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subjects from another country that

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caused a lot of internet flaming and

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flame wars what can I say about those

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things I mean it's just crazy

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we're not going to be crazy today we're

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just going to be wacko or something of

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that nature we have Don Ecker and he is

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para caste calm before we go on Chris

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O'Brien and return to Donna Kerr our

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session with Tim good will you please

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disappointed what actually gene I was a

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little disappointed I really felt that

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you know as Don pointed out

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Tim's early work was very instrumental

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in many people's thinking who have been

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purposefully kind of suspended his

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disbelief to a point where he's almost

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proud of it and to me that doesn't make

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for a good scenario where you're

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properly analyzing the evidence as Don

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pointed out you know an anecdotal

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stories are just that they're anecdotal

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stories I mean show me show me the beef

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show me some physical evidence show me

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any sort of documentation that can

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support some of these fairly wild

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assertion I was disappointed I really

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think that Tim has taken the easy road I

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think it's a little bit disingenuous to

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just say well that's what they told me

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the guy seemed believable so I'm gonna

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believe him that to me is kind of a lazy

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way out and I know dawn and myself and

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many others are much more prone to ask

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the tough questions to dig a little

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deeper

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to probe a little harder and really

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attempt to the best of our ability to

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ascertain the truth and and you know

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Tim's been at this for a long time so

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perhaps he's really lost that sense of

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motivation and that sense of wonder that

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you need to really dig I was a little

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disappointed I met Tim many years ago we

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flew around the San Luis Valley as I

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mentioned on the show with John

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Altschuler had a really scary experience

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I enjoyed his books but again I think

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it's it's intellectual laziness to take

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the easy road out and just say hey look

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it's their opinions I'm just reporting

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the facts sounds sounds believable to me

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I don't adhere to that style myself you

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know we had him on several years ago

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with the previous co-host I do not

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remember Tim good seeming this accepting

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or gullible of different claims it

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seemed that he was more centered in his

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viewpoints then maybe the questions we

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asked it and take him in that direction

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I don't know but I did see a change I

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was concerned about George Adamski so

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much so because I've seen so much

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information that refuted what that guy

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said and the photos are absurd I don't

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know how anybody can accept those photos

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is being correct being authentic you

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know the ones where he's using GE

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lightbulbs I think somebody once said

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they could see the brand name on the

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base of the UFO also the the famous one

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would the three what look like half

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ping-pong balls you can actually see the

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glue squirting out from one of those

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half ping pong balls I was really

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disappointed in him not probing a little

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deeper about Ray in wreck Stanford's

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experience of actually exposing the

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damps he's a photo studio I was

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surprised he didn't want to hear more

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about that it's almost like you know

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don't tell me something I don't want to

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hear which I don't feel

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is the proper way to go about any sort

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of fat gathering any sort of

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intelligence gathering it's it doesn't

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make sense to me nor does it make sense

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to me either oh well there you go let's

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move on Don Ecker you had kind of an

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interesting situation in 2013 when a

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famous radio talk-show host one of the

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pioneers in paranormal radio he decides

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to come back and do a new show and so he

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does but if all the names that he could

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use why oh why he pick a name that you

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are familiar with Dark Matter how could

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he not know now let me give you a

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background here something I haven't

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mentioned on the show before I receive a

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contact from Keith Roland that's art

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bells webmaster he's had mentioned quite

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heavily on his show over the years he's

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worked with him for number of occasions

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he doesn't live far from here he's

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almost a neighbor and he tells me that

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Art's going to have this new radio

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network a streaming network called dark

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matter and maybe we'd like to get

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involved somehow

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so I said you know I don't mind new

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deals exploring new options for the show

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but we've got a problem here my friend

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and that is the name dark matter is art

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not aware that Don Ecker who he's had on

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the radio show on some occasions has a

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show that he's been doing for a number

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of years called dark matters how did

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this come about now he claims that art

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didn't know maybe he's out of the loop

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or something but I thought to myself and

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Don you could give me your reaction I

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thought if you're going to have a name

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for product to service a show whatever

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wouldn't the first thing you do would be

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to look on Google to see if someone else

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is using the name yeah just thinking

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about that number one if you don't use

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Google you use Bing I can't understand

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you know I for quite a while I knew that

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our Bell was coming back I mean there

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had been a lot of beat on the Internet

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a lot of people were very excited by the

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prospect that art Bell was coming back a

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lot of people had missed art Bell over

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the years especially and there's no

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getting around it the dynamic show that

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Bell had back in the 90s especially in

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light of what has since happened to

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coast to coast the radio show today

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under the present radio host George

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Noory now art was and still is as far as

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I know up on Facebook so I had sent our

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private message about oh four or five

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weeks or so prior to his launch in

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September and I said congratulations to

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you on bringing back your radio show and

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and what have you and I signed it and as

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I often do I put beneath my name host

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Dark Matters radio now guys I've been

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doing dark matters radio since the year

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2004 when I started DMR I was on a

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satellite broadcasting system at the

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time and my co-host with me then was

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Dwight Schultz now after Dwight went his

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way and he was doing primarily political

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stuff which you know I that political

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talk radio just kind of leaves me cold

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and but that was something that he was

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really into and and you know I respect

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that I began doing DMR periodically it

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wasn't on

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every week er you know it I might do a

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show every couple of weeks and that was

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with a another producer and it wasn't

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until January of 2010 that I began doing

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DMR five nights a week Monday through

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Friday we'll get into more of the

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history of dark matters radio and the

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conflict with art bell and more with

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Jean and Kris you're in Lapera cast

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Ecker Don's here with our year-end wrap

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up to try to explain what happened next

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nights a week on cyber station USA back

545
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in January of 2010 and on Friday nights

546
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because he was usually available and

547
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free my my good friend and co-host on

548
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Friday night Richard Serra day came on

549
00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:56,800
so when art was was coming back to the

550
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:01,210
air and I saw the name that he was using

551
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:03,550
I thought well you know that that's

552
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:05,740
pretty odd so I wrote him again and I

553
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:10,950
never did hear a word from art bill

554
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:14,950
about it not so much as thanks for your

555
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:18,250
congratulatory note or anything so I

556
00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:22,020
thought well I'll just wait and see

557
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:24,940
what's going to develop out of this now

558
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:29,800
when I saw his first week of guests when

559
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:34,530
he launched I had a feeling at that time

560
00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:38,290
that if that was the quality of guest

561
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:41,590
that he was bringing on the show that it

562
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:44,830
would not last now I knew nothing at the

563
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:48,400
time about any other discussions that

564
00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:53,170
art was having with serious radio as it

565
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:55,990
turned out he he broadcast for what four

566
00:29:02,730 --> 00:28:59,830
or five weeks and the show was canceled

567
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:02,740
now whether serious decided to cancel it

568
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:05,890
or art decided to cancel it it's it's

569
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:09,040
actually it's not even germane to the

570
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:12,790
discussion but the fact that that he did

571
00:29:18,659 --> 00:29:15,100
that and if you put dark matter

572
00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:18,669
Radio or Dark Matters into any of the

573
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:22,840
search engines my face and and show jump

574
00:29:28,049 --> 00:29:25,570
up all over the place so you know it's

575
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:28,059
just beyond the pale to believe that

576
00:29:35,159 --> 00:29:31,809
that art Bell was not aware or Privia

577
00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:35,169
but I mean Bell has known me or you know

578
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:40,059
for over 20 years so you know I'm kind

579
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:42,070
of flabbergasted by it I've had people

580
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:45,490
come to me and say well are you gonna

581
00:29:52,529 --> 00:29:49,919
sue them I you know this can my god no I

582
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:52,539
what would that do except you know

583
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:55,990
deplete my depleted wallet of already so

584
00:30:04,110 --> 00:29:59,710
you know cream rises to the top and so

585
00:30:06,629 --> 00:30:04,120
do other things rise to the top and you

586
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,639
know I'm just content to wait and see

587
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,240
what he does with it if anything well

588
00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:13,120
right now look we conveyed the message

589
00:30:18,869 --> 00:30:15,870
in different ways I conveyed it to his

590
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:18,879
webmaster you conveyed it to him I don't

591
00:30:23,639 --> 00:30:20,769
know what he thinks he was doing I can't

592
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:23,649
imagine he want to steal your thunder or

593
00:30:28,619 --> 00:30:25,990
something I just think maybe he didn't

594
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:28,629
consider the consequences and didn't pay

595
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:30,070
attention maybe just wasn't paying

596
00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:32,289
attention well part of the problem maybe

597
00:30:35,879 --> 00:30:34,120
that's part of the problem with his new

598
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:35,889
show that he brought on these people who

599
00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:39,190
I guess were sensational or interesting

600
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:43,059
back in the 90s brings him back people I

601
00:30:50,899 --> 00:30:46,840
show Jonathan Reed okay now there there

602
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:50,909
was a fraud from practically day one and

603
00:30:58,139 --> 00:30:54,460
anybody that that even gave a cursory

604
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:58,149
look at that case recognized that it was

605
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:02,080
fraudulent I mean just the story that he

606
00:31:08,669 --> 00:31:06,570
himself relayed on bail show on coastal

607
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:08,679
press sure I'm sure

608
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:11,830
remember that right how could I forget I

609
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:14,070
mean it was one of the most ludicrous

610
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:18,340
examples of sensationalism and and just

611
00:31:22,889 --> 00:31:20,860
talk about suspension of disbelief I

612
00:31:25,379 --> 00:31:22,899
mean my god everything about that case

613
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:25,389
just it really ticked me off actually

614
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:27,070
will win the whole thing broke I and I

615
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:28,600
couldn't believe the guy

616
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:32,110
is still today being taken seriously it

617
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:35,080
just it baffles me there are another

618
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:36,730
funny thing in the UFO field which

619
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:38,590
always bothers me is that you exposed

620
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:40,750
somebody this like George Adamski was

621
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:43,090
exposed by Jim Mosely in the special

622
00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:46,780
Adamski expose issue back in what 1957

623
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:49,480
it doesn't matter but that's also true

624
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:53,770
in all sorts of persuasions you exposed

625
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:56,170
some kind of politician is lying you

626
00:31:59,940 --> 00:31:58,450
confirm he's lying you confirm you

627
00:32:02,130 --> 00:31:59,950
probably knew he was lying but it

628
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:02,140
doesn't make a difference well another

629
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:05,340
case in point and this was also an

630
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,300
investigation that I've talked about on

631
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:10,000
the podcast before I had mentioned Tim

632
00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:12,090
good in his book above top secret

633
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:15,880
featuring a guy that in the book was

634
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:18,400
going by the name of Mel Noel ah

635
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:21,970
yes by Kirkwood is his name or the name

636
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:24,250
that he was using the last time I saw

637
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:26,350
him and prior to that he was using

638
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:29,980
another name no Brice Cornwall now this

639
00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:34,000
was a guy that had built himself too

640
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:37,660
good and actually had a stick going back

641
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:41,610
to the 60s that he had been an Air Force

642
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:45,550
interceptor pilot that was flying out of

643
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:50,590
a top secret base back in 54 or there

644
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:54,940
abouts chasing and photographing UFOs

645
00:33:02,220 --> 00:32:58,720
you know good gave him several pages in

646
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:02,230
above top secret talking about that well

647
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:07,300
I met the guy back about 1990 or 91 and

648
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:10,780
I was interested because I didn't know

649
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:13,990
anything about him at the time I was

650
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:16,930
interested in in possibly doing a

651
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:19,570
feature on that if it were true in the

652
00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:22,750
pages of UFO magazine so what I told

653
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:26,920
this guy was basically look I'm very

654
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:29,560
interested in in writing about this

655
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:31,960
would you be interested oh yes yes I

656
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:34,750
said great now look all I'm gonna need

657
00:33:42,419 --> 00:33:40,090
is to see a copy of your dd-214 in other

658
00:33:45,779 --> 00:33:42,429
words his military discharge papers

659
00:33:48,239 --> 00:33:45,789
oh okay Don how I'll get those well I

660
00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:48,249
never heard from the guy for over a year

661
00:33:55,859 --> 00:33:53,169
and then one of those weekly shows was

662
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:55,869
coming out it might have been well God

663
00:34:01,320 --> 00:33:57,700
there were so many of them back in the

664
00:34:04,619 --> 00:34:01,330
early 90s but he was featured on this

665
00:34:07,529 --> 00:34:04,629
weekly show that dealt with UFOs and

666
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,539
investigations and what-have-you in the

667
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:10,240
company of Linda Moulton Howe who from

668
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:13,419
what I understand had taken him to this

669
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:14,220
show

670
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:18,280
suddenly the flood gates literally broke

671
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:21,190
and everybody was talking about this

672
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,460
show and this guy and I started doing a

673
00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:26,740
little research on him and I found out

674
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:32,710
that not only had he been exposed back

675
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:37,869
in in the 60s but we all remember Bob

676
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:41,470
Dornan b-1 bomber Bob Dornan the

677
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:44,290
congressman from Southern California who

678
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:47,099
actually had been an Air Force

679
00:34:55,069 --> 00:34:51,369
interceptor pilot and I met his brother

680
00:34:58,559 --> 00:34:55,079
Don Dornan who back in the 60s and 70s

681
00:35:02,370 --> 00:34:58,569
had been a staff member of Look magazine

682
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:02,380
or Life magazine one of them had been a

683
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:05,470
photographer among other things and had

684
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:08,790
gone down and did an entire

685
00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:12,970
investigation on guy Kirkwood along with

686
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:16,470
the connection of another guy who was in

687
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:21,190
Mexico at the time also running a UFO

688
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:24,930
scam so I did this complete

689
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:29,440
investigation an expose on Kirkwood in

690
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:33,849
the pages of UFO magazine back in 92 and

691
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:37,240
to make a long story short for quite a

692
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:39,609
while because he was really once again

693
00:35:48,089 --> 00:35:43,180
becoming very visible a lot of people

694
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:48,099
saw that now about two years later

695
00:35:54,359 --> 00:35:50,950
somebody called me up at the magazine

696
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,369
and said Don did you see who they're

697
00:36:00,200 --> 00:35:55,680
bringing in

698
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,210
la MUFON group to speak not only in LA

699
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:03,359
but also down in Orange County and I

700
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:07,980
said no who guy Kirkwood the guy that I

701
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:11,300
had exposed in that others had exposed

702
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:15,240
now MUFON has always built itself as

703
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:21,000
being a scientific geared organization

704
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:24,030
looking at the science and the facts so

705
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:26,609
at the time the guy in charge of MUFON

706
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,490
in LA knees he's no longer in California

707
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:31,200
he moved I believed a Florida was a

708
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,510
fella by the name of Don Waldron so I

709
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,359
called Don up and we're going to find

710
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:38,460
out what you learned during that

711
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,380
conversation with God Acker joining gene

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813
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and you found out Don Ecker so I had

814
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:23,020
called Don waldrop who at the time was

815
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:26,800
running the LA MUFON group and they

816
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:28,780
every month they would bring in speakers

817
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:31,720
and you know it was actually quite a

818
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,020
going concern and I got a hold of him

819
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:36,880
and I said Don I can't believe that

820
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:40,210
you're bringing in guy Kirkwood I said

821
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:42,820
this guy has been exposed as a

822
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,510
fraudulent hoaxster not only by myself

823
00:41:51,810 --> 00:41:48,640
but by others and I mentioned it to him

824
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,820
and quite frankly the bottom line was he

825
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,640
wasn't interested they were interested

826
00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:57,060
in filling speakers for their

827
00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:00,130
organization his comeback was well we'll

828
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:02,020
we'll have the guy speak the audience

829
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:04,900
can make up their own mind now to me

830
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:08,590
that's pure PAP if in fact your billing

831
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:11,560
yourself as a scientifically geared and

832
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:15,000
oriented organization so they brought

833
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:17,950
hoaxsters and prawn stirs now with that

834
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:20,680
kind of a mindset the bottom line is

835
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:24,760
that UFOs and other paranormal topics

836
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:29,049
will never be taken seriously by anybody

837
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:32,260
that matters because of that totally

838
00:42:36,329 --> 00:42:34,750
slip shot approach all right

839
00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:36,339
this gets to be the same thing all over

840
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,980
again about the proven hoaxer is never

841
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:40,480
exposed you know I'm gonna mention one

842
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:42,849
other guy that has been shown to be a

843
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,480
hoaxer

844
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:46,420
and I was in touch with people who never

845
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:47,950
heard of any of this of course we're

846
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,680
talking about Sean David Morton a guy

847
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:53,680
who was making up all sorts of stories

848
00:42:58,009 --> 00:42:55,750
and then was providing investment advice

849
00:43:03,000 --> 00:42:58,019
and finally was sued by the government

850
00:43:04,769 --> 00:43:03,010
for millions of dollars for fraud and I

851
00:43:07,529 --> 00:43:04,779
was talking to somebody who does another

852
00:43:09,779 --> 00:43:07,539
radio show and we became friendly and I

853
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,789
was talking shop with them and they

854
00:43:14,009 --> 00:43:11,650
mentioned the guests they had and they

855
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:14,019
said Sean David Morton and I said what

856
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:17,049
you're not aware of this background no

857
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:19,990
you're not aware of UFO watchdog calm

858
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:23,529
and Royce Myers running all those expose

859
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:25,930
s so they weren't aware it's like you do

860
00:43:31,799 --> 00:43:28,690
all this work people in this field are

861
00:43:34,589 --> 00:43:31,809
exposed as hucksters hoaxers it doesn't

862
00:43:39,059 --> 00:43:34,599
matter yeah the bottom the bottom line

863
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:39,069
is that if you really boil it down and

864
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:42,609
this is my opinion if you really boil it

865
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:46,859
down the people that actually care about

866
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:52,329
the truth care about facts care about

867
00:44:00,089 --> 00:43:57,250
evidence compared to the overall group

868
00:44:03,089 --> 00:44:00,099
that claim that they're interested in

869
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,099
this percentage is very small

870
00:44:09,299 --> 00:44:05,890
I want to believe Don I want to believe

871
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,309
I don't care about the facts that's

872
00:44:14,279 --> 00:44:11,430
that's the bottom line

873
00:44:18,779 --> 00:44:14,289
just like that pollster that was on

874
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:18,789
agent Fox Mulder's FBI office wall

875
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:22,089
I want to believe and and I've

876
00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:25,540
encountered that for 25 years practic

877
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:28,180
we every time I've talked to people you

878
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:32,070
know I talked to somebody so you know

879
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:35,080
what are you gonna do well you can only

880
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:38,200
do the best that you personally can do

881
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:40,410
and let the chips fall where they fall

882
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:43,600
what always happens here is the fact

883
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:47,910
that you expose these people and they

884
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:50,320
they kind of slink away in the darkness

885
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:54,520
and they disappear for a year or two you

886
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:58,630
only to rise again like Dracula yes dawn

887
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:03,040
or you state the heart you show how

888
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:04,450
they're fake I'm kind of thinking like

889
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:07,300
someone like a fill-in brog know and I

890
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:08,380
don't know whether he's trying to come

891
00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:12,460
back or not but we shove his educational

892
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:16,060
credentials were fake he was exposed by

893
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,570
Lance moody one of our friendly skeptics

894
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:21,520
by people in our forums it was shown

895
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:26,260
that his claim of going to MIT was

896
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:28,900
basically fraudulent willing don't know

897
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:31,450
a rainbow's does his service record I

898
00:45:38,310 --> 00:45:35,190
mean the guy's like you know claiming he

899
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:38,320
he you know served his country honorably

900
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:42,400
in a particular capacity and you know

901
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:44,410
all Dawn had to do is make a couple of

902
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:48,010
phone calls and just totally blew that

903
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,130
out of the water

904
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:53,400
well yeah even as far as I was concerned

905
00:46:01,820 --> 00:45:57,570
even more egregious than his fraudulent

906
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:01,830
academic credentials were his fraudulent

907
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:05,230
military credentials

908
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:09,520
and that offended me and any other

909
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:12,520
veteran that that served in Southeast

910
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:16,720
Asia during the war you know to the max

911
00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:22,420
so that that guy you know is is at the

912
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:23,859
bottom of the heap as far as I'm

913
00:46:30,569 --> 00:46:27,550
concerned well I think it all boils down

914
00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:30,579
to the fact that there are so many

915
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,920
people out here interested in this

916
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:35,920
phenomenal sub these phenomenal subjects

917
00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:40,480
that are they're so attached to some

918
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:43,780
sort of preconceived concept that they

919
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:47,650
feel rings true for them and and they

920
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:50,770
get blinders on and and when you have

921
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:52,750
like Linda Moulton Howe promoting guy

922
00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:54,820
Kirkwood and art Belle bringing back

923
00:47:01,500 --> 00:46:58,900
Jonathan Reed and and Sean David Morton

924
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:01,510
showing up as the master of ceremonies

925
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:04,089
it at conferences after being brought up

926
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:10,440
on charges by the SEC and it to me it's

927
00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:15,849
really disheartening if we are ever

928
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:17,980
going to be taken seriously by academia

929
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:19,750
by the scientific community

930
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:24,359
we have to self-police and self-regulate

931
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:28,119
somehow on some level these people that

932
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:30,970
don't deserve you know even a seconds

933
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:33,940
notice and in it's so frustrating for me

934
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,520
and I know Donna I'm speaking for you

935
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:40,079
and Jean you know there's just no

936
00:47:48,059 --> 00:47:44,250
there's no litmus test for credibility

937
00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:48,069
or for you know a level of gravitas that

938
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:50,619
needs to be there for us to be accepted

939
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:54,190
as anything but as pseudoscience I I

940
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:56,980
mean III all I do is aspire to proto

941
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:59,290
science and I can't get over the

942
00:48:03,859 --> 00:48:02,800
pseudoscience tag and it's it's really

943
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:03,869
frustrating

944
00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:07,810
well you look over the years at some of

945
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:12,760
the very serious researchers that have

946
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:17,680
been out there that ultimately men

947
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,480
there and probably no more cognizant of

948
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:24,880
what's actually going on than the three

949
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:28,240
of us are today people like well of

950
00:48:35,549 --> 00:48:32,650
course I always mention keyhole but

951
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:35,559
others like Ivan Sanderson and James

952
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:39,940
McDonald blend Stringfield McDonald you

953
00:48:47,069 --> 00:48:41,890
know dick Hall

954
00:48:53,609 --> 00:48:47,079
you know John keel for God's sake and at

955
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:53,619
least keel was always you know sharp

956
00:48:59,370 --> 00:48:56,619
enough to to basically let people know

957
00:49:01,500 --> 00:48:59,380
and and I know he did to me personally

958
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:01,510
that he didn't have a clue what the hell

959
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:05,849
was going on so you know there there are

960
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:08,740
there are a lot of people that have

961
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:12,270
attached their coattails to this thing

962
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:16,270
with I think simply the objective of

963
00:49:21,539 --> 00:49:18,730
writing this just to see where it goes

964
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:21,549
and could care less about the journey

965
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,599
and unfortunately that that's something

966
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:28,960
that ends up painting all of us with

967
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:33,420
very broad brushstrokes yeah

968
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,130
well it's it's the hucksters it's the

969
00:49:41,849 --> 00:49:38,079
people that get on board you know the

970
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:41,859
the latest bandwagon or personality or

971
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,190
claim and then you know take it into the

972
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:47,200
big tent and start you know grabbing the

973
00:49:52,589 --> 00:49:49,450
bullhorn and start screaming about how

974
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:52,599
this is the the next greatest case that

975
00:49:56,970 --> 00:49:54,270
we all should be paying attention to

976
00:49:59,309 --> 00:49:56,980
without doing the legwork without you

977
00:50:01,980 --> 00:49:59,319
know background checking these people

978
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:01,990
without you know following up on claims

979
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:04,210
and getting corroborating evidence and

980
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:07,079
just using standard basic journalistic

981
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:13,450
protocols I mean come on hey if 2014 is

982
00:50:21,539 --> 00:50:17,980
going to be another example of how all

983
00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:21,549
these decades and years have unfolded in

984
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:23,079
terms of people not doing their homework

985
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:28,480
and touting questionable claims I'm you

986
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:31,330
know I I may be forced into retirement

987
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,170
I have busted my my tailbone here with

988
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:37,680
this new project that I'm about ready to

989
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:41,770
unleash on the world and you know III

990
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:44,940
really am at a point where I am getting

991
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:48,820
so fed up with the BS that that that's

992
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:51,880
out in this field and and the the way

993
00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:55,050
the the culture and the media and

994
00:51:00,900 --> 00:50:58,990
people's you know sense of that Fox

995
00:51:01,530 --> 00:51:00,910
Mulder poster that they want to believe

996
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:01,540
so

997
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:11,620
intellectual honesty and and just buy

998
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:13,900
into the next greatest thing I mean we

999
00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:17,020
have got to nip this this this vicious

1000
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:20,620
cycle on somehow at the bud before we

1001
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:22,770
get mud on the show and he disputes what

1002
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,720
Chris just said that's a bad that's a

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1070
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in the bud we got stop this craziness

1071
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they kind of been some regular people

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the show with these guys no he's busy he

1079
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:39,200
does a lot of things he was trying to be

1080
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:41,540
nice and everything didn't realize what

1081
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:45,100
he was getting into now you guys know

1082
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:49,130
why I call myself on the podcast the

1083
00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:54,230
paranormal curmudgeon well we knew that

1084
00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:56,840
about you before dawn yeah it just comes

1085
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:59,780
out a little bit more matter-of-factly I

1086
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,220
think on your show it comes out a little

1087
00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:04,160
stridently but on our show it's like you

1088
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:06,500
know everybody already knows that that's

1089
00:55:10,510 --> 00:55:08,300
how you feel they know that's how we

1090
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:10,520
feel and when you get all three of us

1091
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:14,420
together in the same stew it becomes it

1092
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:19,220
starts to get a little heated yeah well

1093
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:23,810
you know I find it as I increasingly age

1094
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:29,690
each year my BS factor becomes

1095
00:55:38,109 --> 00:55:33,020
increasingly shorter as time goes along

1096
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:38,119
I have much less tolerance for the BS

1097
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:40,609
factor today than I did even let's say

1098
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:43,430
five years ago so the BS the bi starts

1099
00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:47,810
smelling a lot more right let's not get

1100
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,560
too graphic folks this is

1101
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:52,500
family radio show but sometimes what can

1102
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:56,970
you do I'll tell you though it is so

1103
00:56:01,310 --> 00:55:57,780
strange

1104
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:01,320
so crazy how people in this field thus

1105
00:56:06,590 --> 00:56:03,390
exposed have their second life in their

1106
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,600
third life and they go on and on I don't

1107
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:09,180
know but we're still going to persevere

1108
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,050
still think about what to do in 2014

1109
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,540
with the power cast how to take things

1110
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,400
to another level and we're considering

1111
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:19,440
different options so let's see what

1112
00:56:22,580 --> 00:56:21,060
happens by the way one thing we are

1113
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,590
considering let me mention this before

1114
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:24,960
we get back with God as you might know

1115
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:27,180
if you listen carefully the quality of

1116
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:29,690
our podcast version of this show

1117
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:32,730
increased in October the reason being

1118
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:37,500
that the folks at GCN gave us files with

1119
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:40,260
twice the bitrate so instead of 64 K

1120
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:43,010
kind of like satellite radio is 128 K

1121
00:56:48,110 --> 00:56:46,260
which is you know it's good for music

1122
00:56:49,550 --> 00:56:48,120
and everything but for voice I don't

1123
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:49,560
know that it made much of a difference

1124
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:51,510
it meant the file size was twice as

1125
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,850
large and some listeners say you know

1126
00:56:59,540 --> 00:56:55,980
what it's too large why don't you go

1127
00:57:03,860 --> 00:56:59,550
back we have a pole at forum dr. Peric

1128
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:03,870
ascom and the title of the segment in

1129
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:06,840
which we have that poll is called the

1130
00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:10,200
para cast audio quality poll and if

1131
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:11,990
you're interested in voting go ahead

1132
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:14,490
tell us whether you want to have the

1133
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,390
higher quality audio or the regular

1134
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:20,460
audio we used to have this bear in mind

1135
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,190
we might find a way to do it so that we

1136
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:25,200
have both versions but right now there

1137
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:27,110
you go Don Ecker

1138
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,790
gene and Chris were all catching up on

1139
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:31,920
the year trying to figure out what's

1140
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,830
happening in this crazy field and where

1141
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:36,780
we can go interesting I might get your

1142
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:38,910
reaction about this interesting Don is

1143
00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:40,730
that one of the shows that got the most

1144
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:43,590
reaction ever coupla shows as a matter

1145
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:48,090
of fact will those that concerned crop

1146
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:50,790
circles like the biggest thing some of

1147
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:53,070
the most popular shows of 2013 what's

1148
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:53,820
your take on it

1149
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:58,020
crop circles I've been following up and

1150
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:01,020
on going back to when they really made

1151
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:03,330
their first appearance

1152
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:06,780
American media here in the States back

1153
00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:11,160
in the very early 90s I can recall

1154
00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:15,840
vividly that we were covering that in

1155
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:21,600
UFO magazine and I sat down and I I have

1156
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:25,950
some friends that live in the UK one of

1157
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:28,710
them is a world-renowned paranormal

1158
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:31,250
researcher by the name of John Spencer

1159
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:35,880
now John and I have been have been like

1160
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:38,670
I said friends for a very long time so

1161
00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:41,960
whenever something like that pops up

1162
00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:45,150
especially in Europe I'll get in touch

1163
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:47,870
with John to get his take on it because

1164
00:58:54,380 --> 00:58:51,600
variably even though he's not as active

1165
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,390
now as he once was he still keeps his

1166
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:56,640
finger on the pulse of a lot of that

1167
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:00,480
stuff and I sat down this was about the

1168
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:03,660
time that it was announced that the crop

1169
00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:07,650
circle mystery had been solved that it

1170
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:10,800
was actually a couple of guys who would

1171
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:14,520
go to their local pub get liquored up

1172
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:17,460
and then go wow this was their story and

1173
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:20,670
they would clap around in some farmers

1174
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:25,160
field making these intricate geometric

1175
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:30,060
forms in the field now just on this

1176
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:33,750
surface I didn't buy that it sounded too

1177
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:38,030
improbable to me so I sat down one day

1178
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:41,700
with a pencil and a pad and a calculator

1179
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:45,540
and I did a few calculations number one

1180
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:50,610
the primary the growing season in in

1181
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:51,720
England

1182
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:55,020
how long is their growing season and it

1183
01:00:05,780 --> 01:00:01,680
was something like 90 91 92 days and the

1184
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:05,790
number at that time of all the crop

1185
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:08,760
circles that had popped up and I figured

1186
01:00:16,829 --> 01:00:12,180
that in well to make a long story short

1187
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:16,839
what I ended up discovering was that

1188
01:00:24,029 --> 01:00:20,529
huggin Dave these two rum dumbs that

1189
01:00:26,849 --> 01:00:24,039
that were claiming credit for creating

1190
01:00:31,229 --> 01:00:26,859
all these crop circles would have had to

1191
01:00:33,749 --> 01:00:31,239
do something like 11 visits per night

1192
01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:33,759
for the growing season in other words

1193
01:00:38,579 --> 01:00:35,559
all the crop circles if they were

1194
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:38,589
responsible they would and that just

1195
01:00:48,329 --> 01:00:44,130
didn't calculate so I called in facts

1196
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:48,339
every news organization we had a log

1197
01:00:56,279 --> 01:00:52,660
book of everybody from AP and all the

1198
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:56,289
even these small obscure news services

1199
01:01:05,759 --> 01:01:00,400
and I faxed all of them or called them

1200
01:01:10,049 --> 01:01:05,769
and surprisingly we never even got one

1201
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:10,059
return call about that that disproved

1202
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:13,930
this story now that told me a lot about

1203
01:01:19,799 --> 01:01:16,900
the media as if I I needed a further

1204
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:19,809
lesson these guys you know if it bleeds

1205
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:23,049
it leads if it's sensational they'll go

1206
01:01:28,019 --> 01:01:25,089
with it and then drop it like a hot

1207
01:01:28,499 --> 01:01:28,029
potato they want nothing further to do

1208
01:01:31,259 --> 01:01:28,509
with it

1209
01:01:34,859 --> 01:01:31,269
because it just doesn't pay for whatever

1210
01:01:38,339 --> 01:01:34,869
reason to report on these things so I

1211
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:38,349
never really bought into that then one

1212
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:41,410
other thing about crop circles in 90

1213
01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:44,700
we went down to Pensacola for the MUFON

1214
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,589
symposium down there and down there I

1215
01:01:53,579 --> 01:01:50,079
met and became very good friends with

1216
01:01:56,539 --> 01:01:53,589
dr. John Brandenburg now Brandenburg as

1217
01:02:00,209 --> 01:01:56,549
you I'm sure you you know is a Mars

1218
01:02:06,059 --> 01:02:00,219
expert for years he's been very involved

1219
01:02:11,219 --> 01:02:06,069
in UFO research and the man is actually

1220
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:11,229
a real honest-to-god rocket scientist

1221
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:14,609
he's been working on advanced propulsion

1222
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:17,710
systems not only for NASA but for

1223
01:02:24,809 --> 01:02:21,450
private aerospace concerns for years and

1224
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:24,819
John was out here in California at a

1225
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:27,369
scientific conference a year or two

1226
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:29,850
later so we were talking one

1227
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:33,060
a he had come out to visit me at our

1228
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:36,420
house we were talking one day about the

1229
01:02:42,530 --> 01:02:40,020
crop circles and he said Donnie said let

1230
01:02:47,090 --> 01:02:42,540
me show you something so we went out in

1231
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:47,100
my front yard cut a square of sod with

1232
01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:49,980
grass growing on it out of my yard put

1233
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:51,830
it on a paper plate took it in the house

1234
01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:56,910
put it in the microwave for 15 seconds

1235
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:01,170
well when I pulled it out all that grass

1236
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:05,520
on that chunk of sod had laid down and

1237
01:03:11,060 --> 01:03:09,210
intertwined itself just like the reports

1238
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:11,070
that were coming out of the crop circles

1239
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:14,250
and I said to John I said well

1240
01:03:19,310 --> 01:03:17,700
microwaves did that he said yeah I said

1241
01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:19,320
well what is it that you're telling me

1242
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:24,060
he said what I think is that these crop

1243
01:03:33,350 --> 01:03:27,570
circles or many of them are actually the

1244
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:33,360
product of military microwave test okay

1245
01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:34,920
we're going to file more about that

1246
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:38,070
interesting slant on crop circles Don

1247
01:03:43,070 --> 01:03:40,620
Ecker of the dark matters radio show

1248
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:43,080
with Gene and Kris you're in the para

1249
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:48,360
[Music]

1250
01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:50,930
first game attack of the Rockets and it

1251
01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:52,700
was a critically acclaimed success and

1252
01:03:56,020 --> 01:03:54,260
now there is the coming of the

1253
01:03:58,330 --> 01:03:56,030
protectors a former military

1254
01:04:00,550 --> 01:03:58,340
intelligence man is contacted by a space

1255
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1256
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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

1257
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our distant planet are planning to

1258
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conquer the earth

1259
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this is gripping science fiction of the

1260
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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors

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1277
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in its value against other currencies in

1278
01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:55,070
the last 90 days ever think about how

1279
01:04:59,260 --> 01:04:57,260
inflation will change your life your

1280
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savings your retirement plans

1281
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,940
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1282
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the Weimar Republic put another way

1283
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who cares if your investments go up 10%

1284
01:05:11,650 --> 01:05:08,990
but you lose 40% of your purchasing

1285
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power Gold is the only monetary asset is

1286
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:14,180
no one else's liability gold still buys

1287
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:15,890
the same amount of stuff that always did

1288
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,200
gold does not require trust in a third

1289
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party you can possess it in your hand

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years and they've all tasted pretty bad

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delicious after ten weeks on one world

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way my wife commented you have more

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muscles and you're leaner than when you

1330
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:05,110
were 20 years old my body has changed

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dramatically I'm a cyclist normally I'll

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ride two days on and take two days off

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after being on one world way I wrote 10

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days in a row and over 100 degree heat

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and then I take another two servings of

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gym for another hour and a half I just

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01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:22,960
couldn't believe these results my normal

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muscle tightness and soreness after

1340
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working out are virtually gone don't

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take my word for it one Railway comes in

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single servings just give it a try

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for a health and taste sensation you'll

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love call eight eight eight nine eight

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eight three three two five that's eight

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eight eight nine eight eight three three

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two five that's eight eight eight nine

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eight eight three three two five or

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visit one world wacom that's one world

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wh ey calm to the park is the year ender

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01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:06,020
with Don Ecker of the dark matters radio

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01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:08,780
show so with crop circles we've learned

1353
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:11,180
about artists do it maybe some of them

1354
01:08:16,329 --> 01:08:14,150
claim to have paranormal influences

1355
01:08:18,490 --> 01:08:16,339
although some people still think ETS

1356
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:18,500
involved now you're talking about the

1357
01:08:26,260 --> 01:08:22,130
army Don Ecker the military yes military

1358
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:26,270
yes and I was I was quite impressed with

1359
01:08:34,559 --> 01:08:30,190
that now if you look at some of these

1360
01:08:38,110 --> 01:08:34,569
intricate designs I mean they are

1361
01:08:42,249 --> 01:08:38,120
astounding and they're very they in many

1362
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:42,259
ways they remind me of the intricacies

1363
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:46,449
that are involved in weaving rugs

1364
01:08:52,539 --> 01:08:50,270
weaving designs into rugs so basically

1365
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:52,549
the military has some artists on the

1366
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:55,489
payroll well I think what they were if

1367
01:09:01,090 --> 01:08:58,130
it in fact it is the military that's

1368
01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:01,100
involved with a number of these I think

1369
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:03,859
basically what they're using is some

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01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:07,850
type of computerized control testing

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01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:12,710
these microwaves and I was never ever

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01:09:19,809 --> 01:09:16,219
even did I consider the possibility that

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it was et now I'm certainly I'm not

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:24,140
saying that I know how et thinks how

1375
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,690
could I how could anyone but it just

1376
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:29,600
never made sense and I mean why would

1377
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:33,170
somebody come here from 20 30 or 50 or a

1378
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:36,799
hundred light-years away and then sit

1379
01:09:41,919 --> 01:09:38,690
around you know in their in their flying

1380
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:41,929
saucer making weird designs and some

1381
01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:44,890
farmers feel that never made sense and

1382
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:49,000
made sense to me that strictly hoaxsters

1383
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:52,180
were responsible for all of these I can

1384
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:55,570
remember reports coming in once again

1385
01:10:01,500 --> 01:09:58,210
back in the 90s when we were still

1386
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:01,510
publishing UFO magazine where people

1387
01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:06,090
were actually in fields when this

1388
01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:10,120
phenomenon happened and the reports that

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01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:11,800
were coming back that these people

1390
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:15,760
suffered sunburned type of facts they

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were weakened they were affected

1392
01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:21,510
adversely because they were in the field

1393
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,180
when this thing happened so I've always

1394
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:28,320
suspected that it was microwaves

1395
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:31,480
speaking of microwaves we had David

1396
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:33,970
Rountree on the show a couple of weeks

1397
01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:36,730
back now just to go back to the issue of

1398
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:39,220
credentials he's someone who does not

1399
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,170
even want to mention where he went to

1400
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:43,840
school although when he said go Gators

1401
01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:45,940
we had an indication of where he might

1402
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,500
have gone and it looks like some of the

1403
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,360
things I've seen on Facebook he probably

1404
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:52,480
did go there regardless he was saying

1405
01:10:57,710 --> 01:10:55,020
that this microwave background radiation

1406
01:11:00,270 --> 01:10:57,720
may be causing some of the illnesses

1407
01:11:02,910 --> 01:11:00,280
people experience in connection with

1408
01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:02,920
paranormal events he was claiming more

1409
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:04,780
than the usual number of people in the

1410
01:11:11,220 --> 01:11:07,810
UFO field have suffered early deaths as

1411
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:11,230
a result done yeah well you know that

1412
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:13,930
once again that takes me back to when

1413
01:11:23,970 --> 01:11:19,450
John keel was alive and I had met John

1414
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,980
keel and got to know him fairly well I

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01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:25,840
mean well enough that I could call him

1416
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:29,230
at home and talk to him about certain

1417
01:11:37,230 --> 01:11:33,150
things and that was one of the questions

1418
01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:37,240
because having read his book the Mothman

1419
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:41,380
Prophecies when at first was published I

1420
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:45,520
was literally set back on my heels by

1421
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:47,650
some of the allegations and assertions

1422
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:51,730
that Keele had made in that book and one

1423
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:54,310
of the things that he talked about in

1424
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:57,970
there were physical effects on people

1425
01:12:01,410 --> 01:11:58,690
that were

1426
01:12:06,090 --> 01:12:01,420
around these so-called paranormal

1427
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,100
happenings kill was you know a lot of

1428
01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:09,280
people denigrated John kill they didn't

1429
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:13,180
think he was serious enough about it

1430
01:12:19,229 --> 01:12:16,510
that he might have patted some of his

1431
01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:19,239
accounts and what-have-you I don't know

1432
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:21,219
I wasn't there but I'll tell you this

1433
01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:24,880
much keel got out into the field

1434
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:29,500
he put the miles on investigating these

1435
01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:32,050
things he traveled to God knows how many

1436
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:36,340
places he did quite a few books on not

1437
01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:38,590
only UFOs but other paranormal

1438
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:41,070
happenings I respected the man's

1439
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:44,010
viewpoints and his investigative

1440
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:48,130
expertise and I'll never forget him

1441
01:12:55,530 --> 01:12:51,130
telling me a couple of things about

1442
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:55,540
early deaths concerned with researchers

1443
01:13:01,680 --> 01:12:58,480
he asked me one time he said do you know

1444
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,690
out of all the people that research all

1445
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:04,480
of this business who have the highest

1446
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:08,170
death rate and this was well this would

1447
01:13:14,670 --> 01:13:09,820
have been back and once again in the

1448
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:14,680
early 90s and I said well no John what

1449
01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:16,120
he said

1450
01:13:24,209 --> 01:13:20,860
JFK researchers and Bigfoot researchers

1451
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:24,219
and you know Bigfoot is another one of

1452
01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:29,020
those odd circumstances people get

1453
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:33,580
involved in that and I've known in my

1454
01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:36,520
time a number of Bigfoot researchers and

1455
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:40,900
good God they squabble with each other

1456
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:43,930
more than people in the UFO field do so

1457
01:13:50,729 --> 01:13:47,770
the fact that that they according to

1458
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:50,739
keel they and the JFK researchers have

1459
01:13:56,939 --> 01:13:53,890
suffered a higher death rate percentage

1460
01:13:59,220 --> 01:13:56,949
than just about anybody else has got to

1461
01:14:01,770 --> 01:13:59,230
tell you something so I don't know so

1462
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:01,780
those who get involved in JFK research

1463
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:03,610
maybe the government is going after them

1464
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:07,570
oh you know I I'm not serious of course

1465
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:12,310
oh but JFK researchers and I can

1466
01:14:19,670 --> 01:14:16,480
all that assassination vividly and over

1467
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:19,680
the years although I was never a big big

1468
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:23,530
JFK researcher over the years I followed

1469
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:27,330
a number of people that were in depth

1470
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:30,400
involved in that research and they have

1471
01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:33,430
in fact had a lot of people that have

1472
01:14:38,730 --> 01:14:35,140
dropped by the wayside but you know hey

1473
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:38,740
guys look we're all at some point going

1474
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,290
to drop by the wayside that's in the

1475
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:43,360
cards it's just I sure would be Don

1476
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:45,490
whether some people are dying by the

1477
01:14:50,370 --> 01:14:48,370
wayside prematurely okay but let's talk

1478
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:50,380
about JFK is it still like the number

1479
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:52,510
one conspiracy and the planet do you

1480
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,520
take the original Warren Commission

1481
01:15:00,750 --> 01:14:56,800
report is accurate that it was just Lee

1482
01:15:04,620 --> 01:15:00,760
Harvey Oswald the crazed former turncoat

1483
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:04,630
or something more involved no no I think

1484
01:15:10,230 --> 01:15:07,510
it was definitely something more

1485
01:15:14,190 --> 01:15:10,240
involved I'm convinced that there were

1486
01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:14,200
at least two shooters the reason I am

1487
01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:17,950
convinced about that is having seen the

1488
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:21,660
Zapruder film many times sure

1489
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:25,960
JFK was now I don't know about the the

1490
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:29,640
shots from the rear he was definitely

1491
01:15:36,210 --> 01:15:32,790
definitely hit from the rear but

1492
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:36,220
something hit him from the front I saw

1493
01:15:44,190 --> 01:15:39,760
the impact of the bullet hitting his

1494
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:44,200
forehead I saw his head explode I saw

1495
01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:46,930
him violently knocked to the rear and

1496
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:50,620
then to the side after the bullet impact

1497
01:16:00,150 --> 01:15:55,500
I have personally in Vietnam I have seen

1498
01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:00,160
people shot and let me tell you what I

1499
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:04,240
have yet to see anybody fall into a

1500
01:16:11,820 --> 01:16:07,510
bullet so if it would have only been

1501
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:11,830
from the rear that he was shot that just

1502
01:16:18,330 --> 01:16:15,640
does not make sense to me the way his

1503
01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:18,340
body reacted from that from that fatal

1504
01:16:23,940 --> 01:16:20,950
head wound from that head shot well have

1505
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:23,950
more to say about JFK conspiracy will

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also have Don's answer to your question

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XCOM tarragon is calm or call toll-free

1606
01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:45,930
866 3 6 9 3 6 7 8 that's 8 6 6 3 6 9 3 6

1607
01:20:58,090 --> 01:20:55,209
hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

1608
01:21:08,229 --> 01:20:58,100
parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

1609
01:21:10,780 --> 01:21:08,239
believe me Don Ecker of the dark matters

1610
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:10,790
radio show joins us in the parrot cast

1611
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:13,130
with Gene and Kris we're doing kind of a

1612
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:16,550
year ender here the thing that bothered

1613
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:18,650
me almost from the first is that Lee

1614
01:21:23,650 --> 01:21:21,110
Harvey Oswald allegedly buys this crummy

1615
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:23,660
rifle and you think if the guy really

1616
01:21:31,090 --> 01:21:26,930
wants to do JFK in and maybe he's a

1617
01:21:33,490 --> 01:21:31,100
passable shooter okay wouldn't he get a

1618
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:33,500
decent gun why get a piece of junk

1619
01:21:42,690 --> 01:21:37,489
well yeah I mean that that is first and

1620
01:21:45,820 --> 01:21:42,700
foremost Lee Harvey Oswald barely barely

1621
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:45,830
qualified when he was in the Marine

1622
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:49,310
Corps as a rifleman barely they have

1623
01:21:57,610 --> 01:21:55,040
three levels of competency and he was at

1624
01:22:00,430 --> 01:21:57,620
the very bottom of the rung and as a

1625
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:00,440
matter of fact over the years I've known

1626
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:03,920
people that have known people that were

1627
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:08,030
quite famous in conspiracy circles like

1628
01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:11,000
Cary Thornley people that looked into

1629
01:22:16,770 --> 01:22:15,230
Lee Harvey Oswald that had followed up

1630
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:16,780
on a lot of this you know at one point

1631
01:22:25,810 --> 01:22:21,610
the JFK conspiracy was was a almost

1632
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,820
all-consuming conspiracy that like so

1633
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:27,980
many other conspiracies that I've

1634
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:30,710
witnessed over the years like the

1635
01:22:37,810 --> 01:22:33,050
tentacles of an octopus that could take

1636
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:37,820
you to some very weird places Danny

1637
01:22:45,459 --> 01:22:41,360
casolaro is is a name that pops into

1638
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:45,469
mind with you know talk of conspiracies

1639
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:48,770
but Lee Harvey Oswald there were so many

1640
01:22:58,780 --> 01:22:53,690
things to suggest that he in fact was

1641
01:23:01,720 --> 01:22:58,790
the Patsy that he had claimed himself to

1642
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:01,730
be just before he was murdered

1643
01:23:06,669 --> 01:23:03,530
in you

1644
01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:06,679
in that garage as the police were taking

1645
01:23:14,529 --> 01:23:11,020
him out of there I am and I could not

1646
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:14,539
testify in a court of law to this but I

1647
01:23:22,540 --> 01:23:18,650
am convinced that he was the red herring

1648
01:23:25,229 --> 01:23:22,550
that there was a conspiracy god only

1649
01:23:29,529 --> 01:23:25,239
knows where the conspiracy emanated from

1650
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:29,539
there were elements of the American mob

1651
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:33,110
the Mafia involved in this there were a

1652
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:38,409
lot of Cubans that had been paramilitary

1653
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,530
soldiers for the CIA after the abortive

1654
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:44,960
Bay of Pigs fiasco

1655
01:23:55,410 --> 01:23:49,510
in Cuba there were a lot of different

1656
01:23:59,080 --> 01:23:55,420
factions that were that hated and loathe

1657
01:24:02,100 --> 01:23:59,090
President Kennedy so you know is it

1658
01:24:06,459 --> 01:24:02,110
conceivable that a number of these

1659
01:24:09,370 --> 01:24:06,469
diverse factions came together to get

1660
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:09,380
rid of him I mean there was a very

1661
01:24:20,140 --> 01:24:14,630
famous quote that came from I believe it

1662
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:20,150
was mobster Sam Giancana Irv oh god I

1663
01:24:27,850 --> 01:24:23,360
can't think of his name now Giancana gee

1664
01:24:30,939 --> 01:24:27,860
econo that said that that were incensed

1665
01:24:35,260 --> 01:24:30,949
at Bobby Kennedy who was the Attorney

1666
01:24:39,010 --> 01:24:35,270
General at the time and the mob had felt

1667
01:24:43,229 --> 01:24:39,020
betrayed by the Kennedy brothers because

1668
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:43,239
they basically assured the election of

1669
01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:48,610
JFK by taking over the Chicago machine

1670
01:24:56,740 --> 01:24:53,960
okay that got JFK elected I mean people

1671
01:24:59,410 --> 01:24:56,750
today forget yeah how close that

1672
01:25:01,779 --> 01:24:59,420
election was and it was turned in

1673
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:01,789
Chicago exactly yes

1674
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:05,690
so as soon as Bobby Kennedy became the

1675
01:25:12,939 --> 01:25:09,289
Attorney General he began going after

1676
01:25:15,059 --> 01:25:12,949
the mob hammer and tong a Chris do you

1677
01:25:18,209 --> 01:25:15,069
recall those famous

1678
01:25:21,089 --> 01:25:18,219
Senate hearings with the Teamster Jimmy

1679
01:25:23,339 --> 01:25:21,099
Hoffa and Kennedy in they're grilling

1680
01:25:26,849 --> 01:25:23,349
him and grilling him about the mob ties

1681
01:25:30,569 --> 01:25:26,859
these guys were really upset and and

1682
01:25:33,959 --> 01:25:30,579
ticked off and Sam Chia Khanna said when

1683
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:33,969
somebody suggested that they go after

1684
01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:37,449
Bobby and take him out he said no he

1685
01:25:43,589 --> 01:25:40,780
said you don't kill a dog by chopping

1686
01:25:45,449 --> 01:25:43,599
the tail if you want to kill a dog

1687
01:25:48,689 --> 01:25:45,459
you've cut the head off

1688
01:25:53,309 --> 01:25:48,699
well who was the head was President JFK

1689
01:25:55,889 --> 01:25:53,319
so is it conceivable that the mob and

1690
01:25:58,469 --> 01:25:55,899
the CIA and the Cubans were all involved

1691
01:26:01,469 --> 01:25:58,479
in this together I think there's no

1692
01:26:04,589 --> 01:26:01,479
doubt at least in my mind and there were

1693
01:26:07,109 --> 01:26:04,599
at least two shooters as far as I'm

1694
01:26:09,869 --> 01:26:07,119
concerned and possibly three shooters

1695
01:26:14,009 --> 01:26:09,879
Gordon novel in the the sewer drain

1696
01:26:16,589 --> 01:26:14,019
that's my favorite with a 45 pistol yeah

1697
01:26:20,129 --> 01:26:16,599
I remember let me throw a theory out

1698
01:26:22,979 --> 01:26:20,139
here that has part of a book written by

1699
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:22,989
a right-wing Republican operative by the

1700
01:26:26,849 --> 01:26:25,209
name of Roger stone you think heaping

1701
01:26:29,069 --> 01:26:26,859
cup string on Republicans current

1702
01:26:30,869 --> 01:26:29,079
Democrats why would he do this he has a

1703
01:26:31,589 --> 01:26:30,879
book out called the man who killed

1704
01:26:35,609 --> 01:26:31,599
Kennedy

1705
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:35,619
the case against LBJ so obviously we

1706
01:26:39,809 --> 01:26:37,510
know what his theory is and I've heard

1707
01:26:42,089 --> 01:26:39,819
him and I may not always think that I

1708
01:26:44,879 --> 01:26:42,099
agree with his politics but he seems to

1709
01:26:46,469 --> 01:26:44,889
have a lot of facts out there to support

1710
01:26:49,289 --> 01:26:46,479
what he says of course the basic theory

1711
01:26:52,259 --> 01:26:49,299
is when you look at someone dying

1712
01:26:55,169 --> 01:26:52,269
someone being assassinated who gains

1713
01:26:55,919 --> 01:26:55,179
from that person's death exactly who

1714
01:26:59,159 --> 01:26:55,929
benefits

1715
01:27:02,699 --> 01:26:59,169
so wouldn't LBJ be one of those who

1716
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:02,709
benefited well obviously he did benefit

1717
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:08,639
and there's also the testimony of LBJ's

1718
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:13,030
mistress okay after he left the White

1719
01:27:18,899 --> 01:27:16,449
House years later she came forward I

1720
01:27:24,349 --> 01:27:18,909
don't remember now the lady's name but

1721
01:27:27,509 --> 01:27:24,359
she said that in pillow talk with LBJ

1722
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:27,519
that he basically stated that he was

1723
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:28,719
responsible

1724
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,410
for JFK's assassination now the thing is

1725
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:34,960
before you go on now we understand a lot

1726
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,449
of politicians have had mistresses or

1727
01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:39,040
just have a roll in the hay with

1728
01:27:43,709 --> 01:27:41,500
somebody but why would the former

1729
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:43,719
President of the United States admit to

1730
01:27:49,979 --> 01:27:47,290
his girlfriend that he was responsible

1731
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:49,989
that seems rather screwy why didn't say

1732
01:27:55,860 --> 01:27:52,780
I didn't say that I accept this at face

1733
01:27:57,660 --> 01:27:55,870
value sure that was the allegation right

1734
01:27:58,740 --> 01:27:57,670
I'm just looking at the logic behind it

1735
01:28:00,270 --> 01:27:58,750
or lack thereof

1736
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:00,280
well yeah but let's cut to the chase

1737
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:02,050
gentlemen what was one of the first

1738
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:04,290
things I think within a day or two that

1739
01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:06,910
Johnson did upon taking office

1740
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:11,550
he signed a huge contract or had

1741
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:14,050
facilitated I think it was Bell

1742
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:16,410
helicopter's or it was some huge

1743
01:28:22,170 --> 01:28:19,540
military industrial complex Corporation

1744
01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:22,180
contract that went through almost like

1745
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:24,430
rubber stamp you know I'm not an expert

1746
01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:27,610
in this particular JFK

1747
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:30,900
realm but I do remember being struck by

1748
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:33,430
some of the early things that Johnson

1749
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:36,310
did that first week in office that then

1750
01:28:43,020 --> 01:28:40,330
went on to you know totally creating

1751
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:43,030
this whole morass in Vietnam or or or

1752
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:47,380
entrench enos and into Vietnam by you

1753
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:51,010
know supplying the kinds of money to the

1754
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:52,930
Armand of armament companies that would

1755
01:29:01,200 --> 01:28:57,280
necessitate having to somehow spend that

1756
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,210
money by spending ordnance basically

1757
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:03,280
well we know that the what Gulf of

1758
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:06,400
Tonkin episode was a fake it kind of

1759
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,230
brings us back to the weapons of mass

1760
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,000
destruction that God is involved in the

1761
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,600
Iraqi war you create a fantasy event and

1762
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:15,760
maybe that's the example of Dick Cheney

1763
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:20,290
and W used you create a phantom event or

1764
01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:23,530
a phantom piece of evidence and you send

1765
01:29:27,900 --> 01:29:25,420
out the military and you enrich the

1766
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:27,910
military contractors well there's just

1767
01:29:34,110 --> 01:29:31,840
one thing wrong with that gene I'm happy

1768
01:29:38,130 --> 01:29:34,120
to know that there's one thing wrong

1769
01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:38,140
with that intelligence services from all

1770
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:42,190
over Europe not just Bush and

1771
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,210
CIA but others worldwide were all

1772
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:49,600
claiming that there were weapons of mass

1773
01:29:59,160 --> 01:29:54,910
destruction in Iraq now we know beyond

1774
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,170
any doubt because Saddam used them that

1775
01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:01,600
they had chemical weapons

1776
01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:05,800
Saddam murdered over 5000 Kurdish

1777
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:08,590
civilians but damn where'd he get the

1778
01:30:14,580 --> 01:30:10,330
chemical weapons to begin with in the

1779
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,590
technology us arrest whatever case needs

1780
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:16,719
to be rested we're not going to rest

1781
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,670
this case a very long otherwise maybe

1782
01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:20,800
we'll be arrested why that doesn't sound

1783
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:22,750
right we got Don Ecker of the dark

1784
01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:25,330
matters radio show the one and the

1785
01:30:30,980 --> 01:30:28,060
original accept no substitutes with Gene

1786
01:30:39,650 --> 01:30:30,990
and Kris you're in the para cast

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on health care by far and ranking 50th

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being dependent on drug companies to our

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1860
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Americans who are waking up to all the

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of our health and health care system I

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like what doc Wallach is saying and

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doing to enlighten people about health

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message visit bright side bend calm and

1869
01:33:47,259 --> 01:33:44,989
listened to doc wallets deadly recipe

1870
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:47,269
lectures it makes a lot of sense and I

1871
01:33:51,339 --> 01:33:49,010
invite you to join our bright side Ben

1872
01:33:59,960 --> 01:33:51,349
team go to bright side Ben calm

1873
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:06,410
[Music]

1874
01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:09,010
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1875
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:11,140
listening to the Peres Cass

1876
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:20,880
with gene and Kristen the power cast we

1877
01:34:27,060 --> 01:34:23,890
have Don Ecker of the dark matters radio

1878
01:34:29,630 --> 01:34:27,070
show exploring options choices things

1879
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:29,640
like that for the JFK assassination

1880
01:34:35,460 --> 01:34:33,070
whether LBJ was responsible or not as

1881
01:34:37,290 --> 01:34:35,470
indicated in Roger stones book I'd like

1882
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:37,300
to get him on the show I think you know

1883
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:39,010
it's not really something that we'd

1884
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:41,290
normally do on the para cast but you

1885
01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:44,050
know the interest in this case it just

1886
01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:45,940
never stops do you think it all Donecker

1887
01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:49,000
that there was any UFO connection well

1888
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:50,920
before I handle that let me finish my

1889
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:53,170
thought from the last segment one of the

1890
01:34:59,580 --> 01:34:56,290
things okay about the question of

1891
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,590
weapons of mass destruction that no one

1892
01:35:05,190 --> 01:35:02,080
at the time looked at were reports

1893
01:35:07,890 --> 01:35:05,200
coming in from you meant on the ground

1894
01:35:11,970 --> 01:35:07,900
human intelligence on the ground that

1895
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:11,980
Saddam's forces were shipping their

1896
01:35:18,420 --> 01:35:15,730
chemical weapons into Syria okay in

1897
01:35:21,660 --> 01:35:18,430
other words the he worked a deal out

1898
01:35:24,450 --> 01:35:21,670
with Bashar that they would hold the

1899
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:24,460
chemical weapons from Iraq and Syria so

1900
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:27,370
nothing would be found now I find that

1901
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:30,550
very interesting because what happened

1902
01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:33,520
just several months ago chemical weapons

1903
01:35:40,650 --> 01:35:37,560
in fact were used over there in Syria on

1904
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:40,660
civilians now the fact of the matter is

1905
01:35:46,710 --> 01:35:44,320
nobody knows actually who the hell used

1906
01:35:49,470 --> 01:35:46,720
them whether they were Syrian government

1907
01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:49,480
forces or the rebels that got their

1908
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:52,750
hands on some but the fact remains they

1909
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:55,450
were used now the question is were they

1910
01:36:00,960 --> 01:35:57,790
from an Iraqi source or not because

1911
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:00,970
human intelligence stated that Saddam

1912
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:04,330
shipped them to Syria so that may be

1913
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,210
another reason why we never found any in

1914
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:09,760
Iraq but we sure as hell found a lot of

1915
01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:12,130
other stuff and left it sitting out

1916
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,620
there in the streets in the damn desert

1917
01:36:19,890 --> 01:36:16,800
and later they were used against

1918
01:36:23,670 --> 01:36:19,900
American troops so that was a screwed up

1919
01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:23,680
thing from the top down but that's just

1920
01:36:29,569 --> 01:36:26,590
run for another story but if you're

1921
01:36:32,379 --> 01:36:29,579
asking me Don Ecker do I believe that

1922
01:36:35,119 --> 01:36:32,389
daaamn had weapons of mass destruction

1923
01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:35,129
absolutely he did okay I'm off my

1924
01:36:42,679 --> 01:36:38,729
soapbox now what about a UFO connection

1925
01:36:47,389 --> 01:36:42,689
with JFK or like uncovering a Stargate

1926
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:47,399
from some ancient Sumerian site in or

1927
01:36:53,869 --> 01:36:50,639
and all these sci-fi stories that were

1928
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,879
coming out early on talking about the US

1929
01:36:58,399 --> 01:36:56,159
was going in to recover

1930
01:37:00,409 --> 01:36:58,409
you know this site where a Stargate was

1931
01:37:05,540 --> 01:37:00,419
you remember all those stories done oh

1932
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:05,550
sure sure you always have in areas where

1933
01:37:11,509 --> 01:37:08,639
strife and conflict are going on and you

1934
01:37:15,349 --> 01:37:11,519
guys know this you have an inordinate

1935
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:15,359
amount of sightings and reports about

1936
01:37:22,069 --> 01:37:19,679
mysterious aerial anomalies seemingly to

1937
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:22,079
keep an eye on what is happening on the

1938
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:25,409
ground now to get to the the Stargate

1939
01:37:34,540 --> 01:37:30,719
business I think that was simply a fact

1940
01:37:36,109 --> 01:37:34,550
of someone's over way overactive

1941
01:37:39,649 --> 01:37:36,119
imagination

1942
01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:39,659
and how would we know anyway one way or

1943
01:37:43,909 --> 01:37:41,639
another whether they found anything but

1944
01:37:47,779 --> 01:37:43,919
I will tell you this and I was just

1945
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:47,789
mentioning this the other day to someone

1946
01:37:56,089 --> 01:37:51,530
else I was talking to do you guys recall

1947
01:37:59,659 --> 01:37:56,099
back in the 90s that there were stories

1948
01:38:02,089 --> 01:37:59,669
coming out of Israel that claimed that

1949
01:38:05,089 --> 01:38:02,099
some archaeologists were working

1950
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:05,099
somewhere within the physical boundaries

1951
01:38:12,349 --> 01:38:09,689
of Israel on an ancient site and this

1952
01:38:14,839 --> 01:38:12,359
was the story that I remember coming out

1953
01:38:16,429 --> 01:38:14,849
then like so many of these stories

1954
01:38:19,129 --> 01:38:16,439
everything went dark

1955
01:38:22,459 --> 01:38:19,139
everything just shut up that they had

1956
01:38:25,929 --> 01:38:22,469
supposedly this was the story had found

1957
01:38:31,310 --> 01:38:25,939
buried in this archaeological site a

1958
01:38:35,619 --> 01:38:31,320
vault that when it was opened up had a

1959
01:38:39,250 --> 01:38:35,629
bunch of the way it was described

1960
01:38:42,379 --> 01:38:39,260
weapons and other technological devices

1961
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:42,389
that should have because of the time

1962
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:43,060
period

1963
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:46,690
ever been and I remember that story

1964
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:49,840
vividly and then of course everything

1965
01:38:54,420 --> 01:38:52,570
was quiet about it now wait a minute the

1966
01:38:57,480 --> 01:38:54,430
Israelis discovered this

1967
01:38:59,670 --> 01:38:57,490
yeah and Israeli Israeli archaeologists

1968
01:39:00,780 --> 01:38:59,680
yeah give me another timeframe what are

1969
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:00,790
we talking about here

1970
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:05,710
this is like 2002 2003 no no no about 90

1971
01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:09,760
to 91 okay so so the back during Desert

1972
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:12,940
Storm the original right right right

1973
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:15,610
that time period absolutely I never

1974
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:17,650
heard that well I need to dig into that

1975
01:39:21,810 --> 01:39:19,570
thank you for that done that that's news

1976
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:21,820
to me yeah yeah and that was the only

1977
01:39:27,140 --> 01:39:24,430
time I ever saw anything about that

1978
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:27,150
particular case but I of course was

1979
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:30,130
interested and for quite a while I kept

1980
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:32,590
my my ears and eyes open but nothing

1981
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:34,750
else ever came out of there about that

1982
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:38,560
and if they did find something if they

1983
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:41,440
did find something of course I'm sure

1984
01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:43,210
the government would have jumped right

1985
01:39:47,370 --> 01:39:45,580
in there and that would have been the

1986
01:39:49,020 --> 01:39:47,380
end of that well do you remember the

1987
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,030
source of that was that very Thomas

1988
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:50,800
because that's about when he was really

1989
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:54,010
getting started you know if you have any

1990
01:39:58,740 --> 01:39:57,760
way to contact him that might be the guy

1991
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,750
you want to ask

1992
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:00,400
yeah Barry Thomas I remember I haven't

1993
01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:03,280
heard for a couple three years I haven't

1994
01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:05,260
really heard anything about what he's

1995
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:07,660
been up to but I remembered back in the

1996
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:10,690
early 90s all through the 90s actually

1997
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:13,030
Barry Thomas was coming up with some

1998
01:40:18,780 --> 01:40:16,210
amazing reports out of Israel and out of

1999
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:18,790
the Middle East basically including some

2000
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:22,090
of the the weird giant reports and was a

2001
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:23,770
whole bunch of stuff that he was

2002
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:26,410
involved with I'll do some digging on

2003
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:28,930
that and I'm sure some of our listeners

2004
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:32,100
out there and who posted at Peres cast

2005
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:35,650
the former cast the dark caramel help us

2006
01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:39,280
out with this yeah that was a story that

2007
01:40:46,230 --> 01:40:42,280
I always wanted to to explore further if

2008
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:46,240
it were possible but unfortunately I had

2009
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,370
no way to go forward with it by the way

2010
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:50,800
listeners we have some questions from

2011
01:40:56,770 --> 01:40:54,010
you that were posted at forum dr. power

2012
01:40:59,200 --> 01:40:56,780
cast calm and I think we've answered

2013
01:41:00,640 --> 01:40:59,210
some of them but Chris is now going to

2014
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:00,650
bring out some of the others gonna break

2015
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:02,690
out the questions there break them in

2016
01:41:06,220 --> 01:41:03,260
half

2017
01:41:08,260 --> 01:41:06,230
check them twice and see which questions

2018
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,270
are naughty or nice well there was one

2019
01:41:12,399 --> 01:41:10,880
naughty one in there today I saw but

2020
01:41:16,660 --> 01:41:12,409
I'll tell you what one we have Chris

2021
01:41:18,669 --> 01:41:16,670
asked them well I'm looking here I'm not

2022
01:41:21,879 --> 01:41:18,679
quite sure I see a naughty one done but

2023
01:41:25,859 --> 01:41:21,889
I do see a couple of very good ones that

2024
01:41:28,660 --> 01:41:25,869
I think kind of address or speak to your

2025
01:41:31,149 --> 01:41:28,670
general views about you know where we're

2026
01:41:33,459 --> 01:41:31,159
at here at the end of 2013

2027
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:33,469
you know we're quite a number of years

2028
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:36,159
down the pike here and historically

2029
01:41:41,399 --> 01:41:38,570
according to burnt State one of our

2030
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:41,409
posters at forum dr. Perik asked calm

2031
01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:44,090
Donn historically we've made little

2032
01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:46,520
progress regarding our understanding of

2033
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:49,820
the UFO phenomenon can you trace your

2034
01:41:55,870 --> 01:41:53,210
own views about the origins of the UFO

2035
01:41:58,689 --> 01:41:55,880
and what shifts and belief you have had

2036
01:42:01,779 --> 01:41:58,699
over the years and why that's a big one

2037
01:42:04,959 --> 01:42:01,789
yeah yeah that is well I'll tell you

2038
01:42:08,740 --> 01:42:04,969
when I when I first became actively

2039
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:08,750
involved in research back in 87-88

2040
01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:12,650
I was firmly convinced that we were

2041
01:42:20,589 --> 01:42:16,070
dealing strictly with nuts-and-bolts

2042
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:20,599
craft physical nuts-and-bolts craft that

2043
01:42:25,450 --> 01:42:23,030
were coming here if any of them were

2044
01:42:29,979 --> 01:42:25,460
coming here were coming here from other

2045
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:29,989
star systems and I really gave short

2046
01:42:37,899 --> 01:42:34,010
shrift to well at the time I looked at

2047
01:42:40,540 --> 01:42:37,909
it as flights of fancy with anything

2048
01:42:43,770 --> 01:42:40,550
else and and you know the the things

2049
01:42:49,450 --> 01:42:43,780
that really turned me off then were

2050
01:42:53,740 --> 01:42:49,460
these more spiritually inclined accounts

2051
01:42:57,069 --> 01:42:53,750
and reports but I realized a few years

2052
01:43:00,040 --> 01:42:57,079
ago actually that I

2053
01:43:03,310 --> 01:43:00,050
I probably were selling myself short

2054
01:43:07,810 --> 01:43:03,320
because over the years I've encountered

2055
01:43:09,459 --> 01:43:07,820
a tremendous amount of stories and

2056
01:43:10,090 --> 01:43:09,469
information and people that I've met

2057
01:43:15,930 --> 01:43:10,100
over

2058
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:15,940
the years and you know you can't discard

2059
01:43:23,260 --> 01:43:19,250
everybody's testimony if in fact it

2060
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:23,270
doesn't hold strictly to your own views

2061
01:43:29,740 --> 01:43:26,690
I mean that that started to tell me

2062
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:29,750
something maybe I was looking at a lot

2063
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:32,800
of this in the wrong wrong way and I

2064
01:43:39,690 --> 01:43:37,370
became more friendly toward possible

2065
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:39,700
explanations with a lot of these as

2066
01:43:46,510 --> 01:43:43,610
being somewhat more if theory if you

2067
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:46,520
will not just the nuts and bolts now

2068
01:43:53,580 --> 01:43:49,310
that's not to say that I don't think

2069
01:43:57,450 --> 01:43:53,590
that a number of these cases in fact

2070
01:44:01,780 --> 01:43:57,460
demonstrate nuts and bolts but I'm also

2071
01:44:08,740 --> 01:44:01,790
open to the more paranormal aspects for

2072
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:08,750
example Ingo Swann who was regarded as

2073
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:12,050
one of the top psychics in the world as

2074
01:44:17,950 --> 01:44:14,690
a matter of fact he was the guy that put

2075
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:17,960
together the protocols for the military

2076
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:22,490
and the CIA's remote viewing program we

2077
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,650
have another program this one we have to

2078
01:44:28,900 --> 01:44:26,480
do a break Don Ecker joins us with

2079
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:28,910
Jeanne and Chris you're in the better

2080
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:30,650
cast

2081
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:29,900
[Music]

2082
01:45:40,380 --> 01:45:35,050
you are listening to GCN visit GCN

2083
01:45:42,510 --> 01:45:40,390
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2096
01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:07,960
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2097
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:10,420
live.com hi this is Ted Anderson have

2098
01:46:13,770 --> 01:46:12,130
you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

2099
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:13,780
investment advisors won't talk about

2100
01:46:18,030 --> 01:46:15,550
gold IRAs they've been available since

2101
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,040
1986 yet the financial industry won't

2102
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:19,840
recognize the value of gold for your

2103
01:46:24,030 --> 01:46:21,730
retirement goal does outperform paper

2104
01:46:25,530 --> 01:46:24,040
investments yet no word about IRAs if

2105
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:25,540
you would like to have gold for your

2106
01:46:44,770 --> 01:46:42,880
who says things can't go down before

2107
01:46:46,959 --> 01:46:44,780
they go up the freeze-dried guy that's

2108
01:46:49,630 --> 01:46:46,969
who the freeze-dried guy is just learned

2109
01:46:51,790 --> 01:46:49,640
of a 2014 manufacturers price increase

2110
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:51,800
on mountain house freeze-dried foods so

2111
01:46:55,570 --> 01:46:53,450
what is he doing about mountain house

2112
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:55,580
food prices going up the freeze-dried

2113
01:47:00,220 --> 01:46:58,400
guy is bringing down prices 20 percent

2114
01:47:02,440 --> 01:47:00,230
down for the rest of 2013

2115
01:47:04,420 --> 01:47:02,450
delicious freeze-dried foods like beef

2116
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,430
stroganoff green beans and lasagna with

2117
01:47:09,700 --> 01:47:07,040
meat sauce are 20% off through December

2118
01:47:12,459 --> 01:47:09,710
31st 3 stride peas diced chicken and

2119
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:12,469
more are 20% off now through December

2120
01:47:16,959 --> 01:47:16,100
31st go to freeze-dry guy.com freeze-dry

2121
01:47:18,820 --> 01:47:16,969
guide.com

2122
01:47:21,490 --> 01:47:18,830
or call eight six six four zero four

2123
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:21,500
three six six three eight six six four

2124
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:23,810
zero for food hurry before mountain

2125
01:47:29,050 --> 01:47:27,530
houses 2014 prices load up now on tasty

2126
01:47:31,390 --> 01:47:29,060
free stride foods with a guaranteed

2127
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:31,400
shelf life of 25 years or more

2128
01:47:35,470 --> 01:47:33,530
who says ending new year on a download

2129
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,480
isn't a good thing get mountain house

2130
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:37,040
food down 20%

2131
01:47:49,630 --> 01:47:45,930
[Applause]

2132
01:47:53,940 --> 01:47:49,640
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2133
01:48:06,920 --> 01:47:53,950
standard of paranormal radio and now

2134
01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:21,570
[Music]

2135
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:23,660
[Applause]

2136
01:48:31,670 --> 01:48:27,370
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2137
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:31,680
standard of paranormal radio and now

2138
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:40,930
here's Jane Steinberg we are answering

2139
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:42,730
your questions listeners of Don Ecker

2140
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:44,860
the host of the dark matters radio show

2141
01:48:49,740 --> 01:48:46,780
joining Gina and Chris and the power

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01:48:51,420 --> 01:48:49,750
cast for the year ended Don you finish

2143
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:51,430
with that answer or should we continue

2144
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:53,400
before we get to the next question no I

2145
01:49:00,990 --> 01:48:57,130
wanted to finish up here and as I looked

2146
01:49:04,740 --> 01:49:01,000
and I talked to Swann and we had some

2147
01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:04,750
some rather extensive conversations I

2148
01:49:10,830 --> 01:49:07,660
realized that my worldview was too

2149
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:10,840
restrictive and I began to expand my

2150
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:13,810
horizons and in my own mind make

2151
01:49:21,150 --> 01:49:17,820
allowances for some of these these other

2152
01:49:24,030 --> 01:49:21,160
possible explanations for the phenomenon

2153
01:49:26,910 --> 01:49:24,040
and believe me when you're talking about

2154
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:26,920
UFOs and other aspects of the paranormal

2155
01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:30,130
you better have a pretty large worldview

2156
01:49:35,970 --> 01:49:33,480
because there are some pretty strange

2157
01:49:39,690 --> 01:49:35,980
aspects to this if you take the time to

2158
01:49:42,740 --> 01:49:39,700
look next question okay Don yeah I can

2159
01:49:45,630 --> 01:49:42,750
believe me I can identify with that I

2160
01:49:48,150 --> 01:49:45,640
mean it's an evolutionary process in

2161
01:49:50,190 --> 01:49:48,160
thinking depending on the amount of time

2162
01:49:53,940 --> 01:49:50,200
you're willing to put into the research

2163
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:53,950
and to actually you know do the the gray

2164
01:49:59,490 --> 01:49:56,080
matter crunching and think about all

2165
01:50:03,870 --> 01:49:59,500
this stuff in a in an informed way but

2166
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:03,880
here's an interesting subject that you

2167
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:06,610
know we've we've been playing you know

2168
01:50:10,650 --> 01:50:08,410
I'm pulling tug with this for four years

2169
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:10,660
on the para cast and that's about alien

2170
01:50:16,890 --> 01:50:14,170
abductions as a seasoned investigator in

2171
01:50:19,650 --> 01:50:16,900
many fields what is your view on the

2172
01:50:22,380 --> 01:50:19,660
alien abduction phenomenon and is there

2173
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:22,390
really any concrete proof that someone

2174
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,090
or something beyond fabrication and

2175
01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:27,760
delusion is taking place do you give any

2176
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:30,340
credence at all for example to the ideas

2177
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:32,890
about alien-human hybrid ization and

2178
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:36,490
this comes from a Gambhir dnesday I have

2179
01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:41,050
a really extensive gray basket that for

2180
01:50:49,050 --> 01:50:44,860
years I have put many of those reports

2181
01:50:52,530 --> 01:50:49,060
in do I think something is happening yes

2182
01:50:56,490 --> 01:50:52,540
I do I do think something is happening

2183
01:50:59,720 --> 01:50:56,500
do I think that it's extraterrestrials

2184
01:51:02,910 --> 01:50:59,730
coming down here in abducting people

2185
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:02,920
well with some cases that I've been

2186
01:51:11,700 --> 01:51:06,670
exposed to over the years I'm open to

2187
01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:11,710
the possibility that yes that may be the

2188
01:51:18,810 --> 01:51:14,440
case but going back to the very very

2189
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:18,820
beginning of many of these reports in

2190
01:51:26,970 --> 01:51:22,210
the aftermath of the books that Hopkins

2191
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:26,980
wrote that Jacobs wrote I've seen a lot

2192
01:51:32,540 --> 01:51:29,890
of people a lot of people jump on that

2193
01:51:35,790 --> 01:51:32,550
bandwagon every time they had something

2194
01:51:36,810 --> 01:51:35,800
that they thought was inexplicable

2195
01:51:39,930 --> 01:51:36,820
happened to them

2196
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:39,940
end up dumping it on the good old aliens

2197
01:51:47,580 --> 01:51:44,250
and I have seen and I'm not suggesting

2198
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:47,590
that I'm talking about all people but I

2199
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:51,430
have seen some people that I suspect

2200
01:51:59,090 --> 01:51:55,170
were confabulating their experiences now

2201
01:52:03,300 --> 01:51:59,100
what does that mean ultimately it means

2202
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:03,310
ultimately that I've always advised them

2203
01:52:11,790 --> 01:52:07,750
to do this because I never felt capable

2204
01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:11,800
of being involved in that field I was

2205
01:52:18,260 --> 01:52:14,470
always afraid I might do more harm to

2206
01:52:21,870 --> 01:52:18,270
someone then I would do them any good

2207
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:21,880
yeah you and me both I always told them

2208
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:24,730
that number one if you're that convinced

2209
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:28,330
that something is happening to you the

2210
01:52:34,230 --> 01:52:31,510
first thing I suggest doing is going to

2211
01:52:36,030 --> 01:52:34,240
your family physician and getting a full

2212
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:36,040
physical exam because a lot of these

2213
01:52:41,610 --> 01:52:39,250
people would crop up showing me what

2214
01:52:44,730 --> 01:52:41,620
looked like scoop marks the infamous

2215
01:52:48,150 --> 01:52:44,740
scoop marks on their legs or their backs

2216
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:48,160
or their their arms you know what I'm

2217
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:49,960
talking about right Chris

2218
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:53,110
I could show you yeah okay so you know

2219
01:52:59,160 --> 01:52:56,170
that was first and foremost the second

2220
01:53:02,250 --> 01:52:59,170
thing I said was you know there are not

2221
01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:02,260
a lot of people in the professional

2222
01:53:09,330 --> 01:53:07,300
medical fields that might entertain you

2223
01:53:12,450 --> 01:53:09,340
with these stories

2224
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,460
and if you're not getting if you're not

2225
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:14,800
getting fulfilment from your family

2226
01:53:20,010 --> 01:53:17,410
physician and if it's really bothering

2227
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:20,020
you to the point where you feel you're

2228
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:22,630
having a hard time dealing with it then

2229
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:26,770
I suggest you seek qualified mental

2230
01:53:33,900 --> 01:53:29,820
health professionals I'm not suggesting

2231
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:33,910
ok I'm not suggesting that anybody is is

2232
01:53:39,290 --> 01:53:37,360
disturbed no they have issues men and we

2233
01:53:43,770 --> 01:53:39,300
all need to deal with our issues

2234
01:53:47,220 --> 01:53:43,780
regardless of how real or surreal they

2235
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:47,230
are but the last thing I told them was

2236
01:53:56,850 --> 01:53:52,450
under no circumstance would I personally

2237
01:53:59,310 --> 01:53:56,860
go to someone that bills themselves as a

2238
01:54:01,620 --> 01:53:59,320
hypnotherapist working with UFO

2239
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:01,630
abductees you know how many people I've

2240
01:54:07,260 --> 01:54:04,570
turned down that have offered to regress

2241
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:07,270
me about some of my own very early on

2242
01:54:16,740 --> 01:54:10,090
seven years old my first one but maybe

2243
01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:16,750
one other experience I would my standard

2244
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:19,390
answer is that would be the last person

2245
01:54:26,130 --> 01:54:23,350
I would ever ever consider hypnotically

2246
01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:26,140
regressing right and yeah I don't want

2247
01:54:31,290 --> 01:54:29,380
to name names here but but continue so

2248
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:31,300
that that was the kind of that was the

2249
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:33,570
kind of answer I gave these people and

2250
01:54:42,209 --> 01:54:37,290
like I said I never felt competent

2251
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:42,219
enough to to basically you know do

2252
01:54:48,479 --> 01:54:45,810
anything with these cases I was always

2253
01:54:51,150 --> 01:54:48,489
literally I was terrified that I might

2254
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:51,160
do the more harm that I would do them

2255
01:54:58,530 --> 01:54:54,820
any good so as a result I pretty much

2256
01:55:02,850 --> 01:54:58,540
stayed away from that aspect of the

2257
01:55:03,689 --> 01:55:02,860
phenomenon because quite frankly guys I

2258
01:55:09,779 --> 01:55:03,699
just

2259
01:55:11,850 --> 01:55:09,789
level if you know what I'm saying well

2260
01:55:15,719 --> 01:55:11,860
there's a lot more going on than meets

2261
01:55:18,750 --> 01:55:15,729
the eye or meets these subconscious yeah

2262
01:55:21,239 --> 01:55:18,760
well here's one from Viper pilot who is

2263
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:21,249
a longtime lurker we're talking to guy

2264
01:55:27,149 --> 01:55:23,170
it's been lurking around near five years

2265
01:55:29,969 --> 01:55:27,159
and has only posted 15 messages at forum

2266
01:55:31,979 --> 01:55:29,979
doctor parrot cast calm but dawn your

2267
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:31,989
year-end her appearance here brought him

2268
01:55:38,459 --> 01:55:35,650
out and he has a quite a dapper

2269
01:55:41,219 --> 01:55:38,469
photograph as his avatar he's like some

2270
01:55:44,430 --> 01:55:41,229
sort of I don't know 19th century

2271
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:44,440
English captain or something I love it

2272
01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:50,110
are you a puppy well I think he well

2273
01:55:55,049 --> 01:55:52,360
it's not a sock puppet yeah he's using

2274
01:55:57,899 --> 01:55:55,059
one mr. Acker while you were a police

2275
01:56:00,270 --> 01:55:57,909
officer did you ever run into a high

2276
01:56:02,609 --> 01:56:00,280
strange event in any of your

2277
01:56:05,250 --> 01:56:02,619
investigations and I've never actually

2278
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:05,260
heard you answer this question sure you

2279
01:56:11,399 --> 01:56:08,110
have sure you have and as a matter of

2280
01:56:16,049 --> 01:56:11,409
fact yeah though the one although at the

2281
01:56:18,449 --> 01:56:16,059
time I never associated the case with

2282
01:56:22,379 --> 01:56:18,459
anything having to do with the

2283
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:22,389
paranormal UFOs or anything else my my

2284
01:56:28,529 --> 01:56:25,599
that's what I meant I investigated a

2285
01:56:31,949 --> 01:56:28,539
couple of cattle mutilations and you you

2286
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:31,959
you are aware of that yeah I am and I

2287
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:35,530
also have quoted in its entirety with

2288
01:56:43,219 --> 01:56:38,170
your permission the human mutilation

2289
01:56:46,370 --> 01:56:43,229
factor which I feel is the only really

2290
01:56:51,689 --> 01:56:46,380
systematically well done look at the

2291
01:56:55,649 --> 01:56:51,699
whole possibility of human mutilations

2292
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:55,659
going on you know visa vie the cattle

2293
01:57:00,000 --> 01:56:58,239
mutilation phenomenon you are the only

2294
01:57:01,859 --> 01:57:00,010
person daughter and I you know I want to

2295
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:01,869
publicly acknowledge you for this you

2296
01:57:06,449 --> 01:57:04,030
are the only person to my knowledge that

2297
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:06,459
has ever attempted to look into this

2298
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:09,010
subject and publish something about it

2299
01:57:13,709 --> 01:57:10,570
and thank you so much for your

2300
01:57:17,790 --> 01:57:13,719
permission to in and to feature your

2301
01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:17,800
particular view on this but I digress

2302
01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:22,270
let me continue I mean let me be clear

2303
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:25,630
the human mutilation thing was not when

2304
01:57:31,500 --> 01:57:28,810
I was a cop I did not do that as a

2305
01:57:33,900 --> 01:57:31,510
police officer I understand that that

2306
01:57:35,940 --> 01:57:33,910
was afterwards the cattle mutilation

2307
01:57:40,110 --> 01:57:35,950
thing yeah I just allowed that as a

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2329
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2330
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2331
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2332
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2333
01:58:51,479 --> 01:58:49,750
bonds it makes me wonder if the US

2334
01:58:53,340 --> 01:58:51,489
citizen will ever again have the right

2335
01:58:54,140 --> 01:58:53,350
to life liberty and the pursuit of

2336
01:58:56,250 --> 01:58:54,150
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2337
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unfortunately with the drug and money

2338
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laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

2339
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60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

2340
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enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

2341
01:59:06,990 --> 01:59:05,350
executive order of 1933 some precious

2342
01:59:09,180 --> 01:59:07,000
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2343
01:59:10,620 --> 01:59:09,190
intervention for this reason Midas

2344
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:10,630
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01:59:14,220 --> 01:59:12,370
exploiting the boundaries of trading

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2347
01:59:17,850 --> 01:59:16,150
have any intention of trading with Midas

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02:01:41,369 --> 02:01:37,569
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2356
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:43,569
hear from you if you have a comment or

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02:01:48,899 --> 02:01:46,089
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2358
02:01:52,290 --> 02:01:48,909
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2359
02:01:54,389 --> 02:01:52,300
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2360
02:01:57,569 --> 02:01:54,399
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02:02:03,119 --> 02:01:57,579
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2362
02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:03,129
para cast calm okay that the power casts

2363
02:02:08,099 --> 02:02:06,729
seemed a bit mutilated Chris O'Brien we

2364
02:02:10,319 --> 02:02:08,109
have to talk about that later Dekker

2365
02:02:13,219 --> 02:02:10,329
joins us you want to continue on that

2366
02:02:16,709 --> 02:02:13,229
front with human mutilation yeah I I

2367
02:02:20,479 --> 02:02:16,719
regret having gotten involved in that

2368
02:02:23,729 --> 02:02:20,489
simply because not that anybody ever

2369
02:02:27,929 --> 02:02:23,739
overtly threatened me or anything like

2370
02:02:34,169 --> 02:02:27,939
that although I did have a phone call

2371
02:02:38,099 --> 02:02:34,179
from a guy that was a DEA agent down in

2372
02:02:40,949 --> 02:02:38,109
Florida at the time after I wrote my

2373
02:02:44,969 --> 02:02:40,959
paper that I did on human mutilations

2374
02:02:47,639 --> 02:02:44,979
and basically he said and and I believe

2375
02:02:50,879 --> 02:02:47,649
I I've talked about this briefly before

2376
02:02:53,549 --> 02:02:50,889
on another para cast appearance but he

2377
02:02:56,729 --> 02:02:53,559
said you know he said I read that he

2378
02:02:59,089 --> 02:02:56,739
said and and when I did you know I

2379
02:03:02,369 --> 02:02:59,099
didn't know if you were full of it or

2380
02:03:05,969 --> 02:03:02,379
whatever he said so I did a little

2381
02:03:11,909 --> 02:03:05,979
digging and all I can tell you is steer

2382
02:03:15,139 --> 02:03:11,919
clear of that he said you really and I'm

2383
02:03:19,619 --> 02:03:15,149
paraphrasing now but you you have opened

2384
02:03:25,529 --> 02:03:19,629
Pandora's box with the human mutilation

2385
02:03:29,399 --> 02:03:25,539
thing and for three years I tried my

2386
02:03:33,419 --> 02:03:29,409
darndest to break through that and I I

2387
02:03:37,500 --> 02:03:33,429
had at one point a number of promising

2388
02:03:40,860 --> 02:03:37,510
leads into what I thought might be

2389
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:40,870
getting me closer to actually

2390
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:42,610
what was happening with the human

2391
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:45,280
mutilation thing but ultimately I

2392
02:03:52,260 --> 02:03:49,090
realized that I was getting nowhere with

2393
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:52,270
it and I actually also had a lot of

2394
02:03:57,630 --> 02:03:56,110
sticks and stones thrown at me and I'm

2395
02:04:04,110 --> 02:03:57,640
speaking figuratively

2396
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:04,120
after I broached that I had at one UFO

2397
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:07,450
conference right after that that article

2398
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:11,410
appeared a variation of it in UFO

2399
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:16,330
magazine I had a well-known guy and his

2400
02:04:24,780 --> 02:04:21,490
wife in the UFO arena come out of a

2401
02:04:28,260 --> 02:04:24,790
lecture they were giving screaming at

2402
02:04:31,170 --> 02:04:28,270
the top of their lungs at me personally

2403
02:04:34,740 --> 02:04:31,180
for writing the story and @viki for

2404
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:34,750
publishing the story magazine so you

2405
02:04:42,110 --> 02:04:39,210
know it was wait a minute wait a minute

2406
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:42,120
excuse me for interrupting done but

2407
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:45,130
quiring minds if the pair cast wanna

2408
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:49,570
know a couple so we're talking husband

2409
02:04:54,810 --> 02:04:52,480
wife yeah yeah okay what the hell

2410
02:04:58,830 --> 02:04:54,820
it was whitley strieber okay take it

2411
02:05:01,740 --> 02:04:58,840
away done okay so I mean you know and I

2412
02:05:04,350 --> 02:05:01,750
I've never I've never forgotten that and

2413
02:05:07,740 --> 02:05:04,360
you know I didn't at the time I didn't

2414
02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:07,750
know streamer I'm certainly knew who he

2415
02:05:13,530 --> 02:05:10,900
was but I didn't know him personally and

2416
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:13,540
his wife could have walked in my front

2417
02:05:19,410 --> 02:05:15,250
door at that time and I wouldn't have

2418
02:05:22,350 --> 02:05:19,420
known who she was but I've never I've

2419
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:22,360
never forgotten that you know to me guys

2420
02:05:26,670 --> 02:05:24,850
wait a minute um what have you never

2421
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:26,680
forgotten let's go into a little bit of

2422
02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:29,440
detail why did they approach you what

2423
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:32,590
was their issue and how did you respond

2424
02:05:38,220 --> 02:05:36,310
well I didn't okay I figured that

2425
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:38,230
discretion at that time was a better

2426
02:05:42,510 --> 02:05:39,010
part of valor

2427
02:05:46,290 --> 02:05:42,520
I have a very although it's much more

2428
02:05:48,540 --> 02:05:46,300
muted these days at that time I had a

2429
02:05:52,740 --> 02:05:48,550
very volatile temper

2430
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:52,750
I you know that the last thing anybody

2431
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:54,250
needed to see

2432
02:05:59,090 --> 02:05:56,410
were the people that published UFO

2433
02:06:01,950 --> 02:05:59,100
magazine and the guy that wrote the book

2434
02:06:05,490 --> 02:06:01,960
communion out there grappling in a

2435
02:06:07,380 --> 02:06:05,500
hallway man it sounds like the UFC

2436
02:06:10,410 --> 02:06:07,390
waiting to happen

2437
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:10,420
I love it so give us a time frame this

2438
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:12,370
is what 93 92

2439
02:06:19,590 --> 02:06:15,850
oh this well yeah yeah yeah okay okay so

2440
02:06:21,900 --> 02:06:19,600
you presented this information and what

2441
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:21,910
did the street sweepers have at issue

2442
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:24,570
and how did they couch that and

2443
02:06:29,610 --> 02:06:25,840
communicate

2444
02:06:32,610 --> 02:06:29,620
that's when Whitley was in his phase of

2445
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:32,620
the aliens are basically kind and gentle

2446
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:34,690
well transformation I think was the

2447
02:06:40,770 --> 02:06:37,410
operative book at that point 91 I

2448
02:06:44,220 --> 02:06:40,780
somebody checked that yeah it was you

2449
02:06:46,650 --> 02:06:44,230
know and all I said in in the basically

2450
02:06:50,190 --> 02:06:46,660
in the document you read you read my

2451
02:06:52,530 --> 02:06:50,200
original document Chris I said in there

2452
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:52,540
was done i republished it in my book

2453
02:06:56,730 --> 02:06:54,310
with your permission because I think

2454
02:06:59,610 --> 02:06:56,740
it's really important it's a standalone

2455
02:07:02,790 --> 02:06:59,620
document that nobody else has ever been

2456
02:07:05,700 --> 02:07:02,800
able to produce I mean please let me

2457
02:07:08,820 --> 02:07:05,710
acknowledge you Happy New Year man you

2458
02:07:11,430 --> 02:07:08,830
as an ex law enforcement officer you're

2459
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:11,440
the only person to my knowledge publicly

2460
02:07:17,460 --> 02:07:13,870
that has ever looked into this

2461
02:07:21,180 --> 02:07:17,470
particular disturbing aspect of the

2462
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:21,190
unexplained animal death phenomenon okay

2463
02:07:30,510 --> 02:07:25,930
to you know make it as kind of innocuous

2464
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:30,520
and general sounding basically dawn your

2465
02:07:36,690 --> 02:07:32,800
body of evidence in that particular

2466
02:07:39,390 --> 02:07:36,700
article is standalone I have never seen

2467
02:07:41,190 --> 02:07:39,400
and I've done a lot of researching in

2468
02:07:44,850 --> 02:07:41,200
this and I've never seen somebody that

2469
02:07:47,730 --> 02:07:44,860
has come up with as comprehensive a look

2470
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:47,740
at even the impossible rumors of this

2471
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:51,610
okay and really I need to acknowledge

2472
02:07:57,710 --> 02:07:55,090
you on this well thank you I had had a

2473
02:08:01,380 --> 02:07:57,720
number of people that cautioned me

2474
02:08:05,150 --> 02:08:01,390
against that blend Stringfield was one

2475
02:08:07,820 --> 02:08:05,160
and Budd Hopkins definitely was another

2476
02:08:11,190 --> 02:08:07,830
John Peel was

2477
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:11,200
problematic when I was conducting my

2478
02:08:16,770 --> 02:08:13,570
investigation although he did turn me on

2479
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:16,780
to a case that happened down in Mexico

2480
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:19,210
so you know there were a lot of people

2481
02:08:28,860 --> 02:08:24,510
that were were very dicey about publicly

2482
02:08:32,490 --> 02:08:28,870
acknowledging what thankfully seems to

2483
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:32,500
be an exceedingly rare aspect of the

2484
02:08:36,210 --> 02:08:33,250
phenomenon

2485
02:08:39,630 --> 02:08:36,220
well rarely reported but ordered yes

2486
02:08:42,330 --> 02:08:39,640
done let's get it right here not one of

2487
02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:42,340
them has ever come forward to my

2488
02:08:48,150 --> 02:08:45,310
knowledge and made a public statement of

2489
02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:48,160
position on the subject not one person

2490
02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:50,710
that you mentioned right right we're the

2491
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:53,620
only one and your position is that we

2492
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,810
need to take a position on this yeah

2493
02:09:02,270 --> 02:08:58,000
which which I acknowledge you and I want

2494
02:09:06,630 --> 02:09:02,280
I want everybody out there to hear this

2495
02:09:10,530 --> 02:09:06,640
okay there are certain elements of our

2496
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:10,540
wanna believe reality that are real fun

2497
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:12,880
and you know Hollywood has a great time

2498
02:09:16,620 --> 02:09:14,110
with them but there's other elements

2499
02:09:19,590 --> 02:09:16,630
that are on a deeper more genetic

2500
02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:19,600
biological visceral level that are in

2501
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:22,210
our closet and I want everybody to know

2502
02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:24,610
that what Don was looking into back then

2503
02:09:29,970 --> 02:09:27,520
and I have been looking into for quite

2504
02:09:32,670 --> 02:09:29,980
some time especially lately there's a

2505
02:09:34,890 --> 02:09:32,680
whole element to our closed system that

2506
02:09:37,140 --> 02:09:34,900
is blood based and biological that is

2507
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:37,150
really important and imperative to

2508
02:09:43,050 --> 02:09:40,480
understand Before we jump off planet

2509
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:43,060
there's a lot of things going on that

2510
02:09:48,030 --> 02:09:46,210
connect us with the outside we need to

2511
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:48,040
understand our connections within the

2512
02:09:53,490 --> 02:09:50,850
closed system before we can possibly

2513
02:09:58,650 --> 02:09:53,500
understand our connections outside the

2514
02:10:02,430 --> 02:09:58,660
system well you know it's not just human

2515
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:02,440
beings the the the cattle and other

2516
02:10:08,610 --> 02:10:06,730
assets that have been hold on the aliens

2517
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,620
aren't particularly interested in us

2518
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:10,960
maybe they are we have emotional bodies

2519
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:13,410
blah blah blah it's the wonderful

2520
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biodiversity in this closed system they

2521
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are actually interested in humpback

2522
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:20,770
whales we have Don Ecker joining gene

2523
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and Chris

2524
02:10:32,689 --> 02:10:30,720
you're in the para cast thank you for

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for nearly two years i suffered severe

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sleeping all night it

2606
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so hard to work because it continued all

2607
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day to have the hot flashes from how I

2608
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was exhausted and depleted after only

2609
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three weeks on one world wait I have no

2610
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hot flashes and I'm sleeping normally

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2615
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[Music]

2630
02:15:00,850 --> 02:14:58,499
so you were about to say something for

2631
02:15:04,459 --> 02:15:00,860
sobriety about my silly comment of

2632
02:15:07,279 --> 02:15:04,469
humpback whales gene you're a humpback

2633
02:15:09,049 --> 02:15:07,289
whale but that's why we love you you

2634
02:15:11,689 --> 02:15:09,059
still know how to go up there and blow a

2635
02:15:12,469 --> 02:15:11,699
bunch of steam and vapor into the air I

2636
02:15:15,229 --> 02:15:12,479
love it

2637
02:15:18,859 --> 02:15:15,239
Oh Allen I sit at your feet my friend

2638
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:18,869
you are you are the ultimate blowhole in

2639
02:15:26,810 --> 02:15:23,610
that sense well I would not want to be a

2640
02:15:29,449 --> 02:15:26,820
whale in the western Pacific right now

2641
02:15:31,129 --> 02:15:29,459
we're gonna see I mean the whale watch

2642
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:31,139
companies are gonna go nuts with

2643
02:15:37,069 --> 02:15:34,079
Fukushima driving all the big cetaceans

2644
02:15:39,169 --> 02:15:37,079
to the west coast of America this next

2645
02:15:40,839 --> 02:15:39,179
year is going to be very interesting in

2646
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:40,849
the Pacific Ocean basin

2647
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:44,010
especially on the west coast of North

2648
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:44,639
America

2649
02:15:52,009 --> 02:15:47,360
God the starfish you're shedding arms

2650
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:52,019
it's looking grim folks 2014 it's a

2651
02:15:58,819 --> 02:15:56,070
brave new world and Atlantic farm salmon

2652
02:16:02,299 --> 02:15:58,829
sound a lot better to me then going to

2653
02:16:06,799 --> 02:16:02,309
my sushi bar yeah I was I was going to

2654
02:16:09,649 --> 02:16:06,809
mention that when the conversation went

2655
02:16:15,770 --> 02:16:09,659
this way I love sushi and for a long

2656
02:16:17,239 --> 02:16:15,780
time now I've refused to partake any no

2657
02:16:20,319 --> 02:16:17,249
you're gonna you know Don you're gonna

2658
02:16:23,299 --> 02:16:20,329
see sushi bars with Geiger counters

2659
02:16:26,770 --> 02:16:23,309
certified sushi okay you want a really

2660
02:16:30,290 --> 02:16:26,780
good you know piece of hamachi whatever

2661
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:30,300
you know some good sashimi will prove to

2662
02:16:35,389 --> 02:16:32,969
you it doesn't have hot particles we're

2663
02:16:38,299 --> 02:16:35,399
gonna get to that point this is 2014

2664
02:16:41,660 --> 02:16:38,309
again it's a brave new post-fukushima

2665
02:16:43,939 --> 02:16:41,670
world here on in the Pacific Basin so

2666
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:43,949
let me let me regress for just a second

2667
02:16:48,439 --> 02:16:45,630
here one one thing I wanted to mention

2668
02:16:53,240 --> 02:16:48,449
in the conversation we were having about

2669
02:16:55,729 --> 02:16:53,250
the mutilation phenomenon with not only

2670
02:17:00,349 --> 02:16:55,739
human beings but it was particularly

2671
02:17:04,580 --> 02:17:00,359
animals one thing that John keel told me

2672
02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:04,590
years ago and this was 1980

2673
02:17:12,169 --> 02:17:07,889
eight and I reported it in an interview

2674
02:17:17,450 --> 02:17:12,179
I did with Kiel in UFO magazine was the

2675
02:17:21,820 --> 02:17:17,460
fact that I asked him specifically about

2676
02:17:25,549 --> 02:17:21,830
the blood loss and all the animals that

2677
02:17:29,330 --> 02:17:25,559
were cropping up all the time in reports

2678
02:17:34,759 --> 02:17:29,340
cattle dear god knows what all

2679
02:17:38,209 --> 02:17:34,769
and I said John if this is true what do

2680
02:17:40,310 --> 02:17:38,219
you suspect they're using this material

2681
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:40,320
for because my god you'd you'd been on

2682
02:17:48,250 --> 02:17:44,010
this beat since the early to mid 60's

2683
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:48,260
and you know he told me something that

2684
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:52,080
always kind of made me scratch my head

2685
02:18:01,520 --> 02:17:56,729
and go ah he said what if they're using

2686
02:18:06,169 --> 02:18:01,530
this biological material and they're

2687
02:18:07,940 --> 02:18:06,179
creating their own avatars to operate in

2688
02:18:12,099 --> 02:18:07,950
the environment down here right toll

2689
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:12,109
points yes some of the yeah my right

2690
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:16,010
manifested biological thought-forms done

2691
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:19,200
through a process of chemical and

2692
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:22,559
scientific ritual and and intent yeah

2693
02:18:29,690 --> 02:18:26,399
now think about that that's some wild

2694
02:18:32,089 --> 02:18:29,700
stuff Bubba that is wild well Thomas

2695
02:18:34,339 --> 02:18:32,099
Bearden talked about talked about tall

2696
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:34,349
poids of course we have the Tibetan

2697
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:40,080
material with creating one of these

2698
02:18:43,549 --> 02:18:42,000
weird did these weird sort of

2699
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:43,559
doppelganger

2700
02:18:50,450 --> 02:18:47,040
genes called well topas but not only

2701
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:50,460
that but tea glazed not many people know

2702
02:18:56,060 --> 02:18:53,280
about the energetic manifestation of of

2703
02:18:58,820 --> 02:18:56,070
energy energy in the Tibetan system of

2704
02:19:02,089 --> 02:18:58,830
the tea glai which we refer to here as

2705
02:19:06,820 --> 02:19:02,099
the real orbs not not the fake kind of

2706
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:06,830
you know abstract sort of diffused

2707
02:19:12,650 --> 02:19:09,990
artifact in a digital photograph or but

2708
02:19:16,810 --> 02:19:12,660
but but true orbs of energy which can be

2709
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:16,820
seen with the naked eye you know again

2710
02:19:20,330 --> 02:19:18,630
2014 Irie

2711
02:19:24,350 --> 02:19:20,340
we feel we're gonna see some

2712
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:24,360
breakthrough energy we got some young

2713
02:19:30,350 --> 02:19:27,689
people coming up with great ideas III

2714
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:30,360
think I'm looking forward to the to the

2715
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:33,599
new year how about G dawn is there any

2716
02:19:39,620 --> 02:19:38,250
hope well every year Jean and Chris I

2717
02:19:42,860 --> 02:19:39,630
look forward to the new year

2718
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:42,870
but if you're asking me do I think that

2719
02:19:50,060 --> 02:19:48,080
2014 is going to be better than 2013

2720
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:50,070
unfortunately I got to tell you if

2721
02:19:56,830 --> 02:19:52,050
anything I think it's gonna be worse and

2722
02:20:00,820 --> 02:19:56,840
that's you know that's my bottom line on

2723
02:20:05,389 --> 02:20:00,830
practically every front you look at

2724
02:20:09,790 --> 02:20:05,399
let's face it things are kind of sagging

2725
02:20:14,420 --> 02:20:09,800
right now and and the UFO field

2726
02:20:17,980 --> 02:20:14,430
specifically it has been years and I'm

2727
02:20:23,230 --> 02:20:17,990
talking about years since I have seen

2728
02:20:28,010 --> 02:20:23,240
anyone present company excluded

2729
02:20:30,860 --> 02:20:28,020
but anyone doing anything worth a damned

2730
02:20:36,050 --> 02:20:30,870
on this front you know it is

2731
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:36,060
disorganized it's as chaotic as I have

2732
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:38,580
personally ever witnessed it being going

2733
02:20:47,179 --> 02:20:43,290
back 25 years yeah and I just just told

2734
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:47,189
lack of direction yeah there well that's

2735
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:49,280
the other thing direction there there is

2736
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:53,760
Barry at least you know what you see out

2737
02:21:01,639 --> 02:20:58,560
on the web and and some of these sites

2738
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:01,649
it's it's just it doesn't look good okay

2739
02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:04,530
what well done I I you know I predict it

2740
02:21:12,290 --> 02:21:09,570
at least by T 2015 we're gonna have on

2741
02:21:17,300 --> 02:21:12,300
some sort of reality show that features

2742
02:21:22,340 --> 02:21:17,310
ghosts um fine UFOs and manifesting

2743
02:21:24,130 --> 02:21:22,350
Bigfoot that could be that could be its

2744
02:21:28,030 --> 02:21:24,140
plenty out of the culture works you know

2745
02:21:30,980 --> 02:21:28,040
yeah any any other questions

2746
02:21:32,210 --> 02:21:30,990
well done what's what are you up to man

2747
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:32,220
what

2748
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:36,720
resolution plate

2749
02:21:41,620 --> 02:21:39,600
where is Dark Matters been good going to

2750
02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:41,630
go from here how are you gonna deal with

2751
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:46,110
with art bell trying to you know co-opt

2752
02:21:51,020 --> 02:21:49,050
your I mean my god how long have you

2753
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:51,030
been calling you show that I mean it's a

2754
02:21:54,980 --> 02:21:53,010
it's weird man

2755
02:21:57,650 --> 02:21:54,990
this year what are you gonna do about

2756
02:21:59,000 --> 02:21:57,660
all that yeah I mean I know I think

2757
02:22:00,620 --> 02:21:59,010
you're on the high road so you don't

2758
02:22:03,350 --> 02:22:00,630
have anything to worry about it's almost

2759
02:22:06,740 --> 02:22:03,360
like art bells is setting himself up to

2760
02:22:10,910 --> 02:22:06,750
fail it's weird but but other than that

2761
02:22:15,850 --> 02:22:10,920
let's leave all that aside you and Vicki

2762
02:22:20,210 --> 02:22:15,860
where were you guys had well how you are

2763
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:20,220
viewing to 2014 and moving forward in

2764
02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:23,040
your process well we're you know where

2765
02:22:32,540 --> 02:22:28,290
we are basically moving right along

2766
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:32,550
Vicki and I just celebrated a little

2767
02:22:36,740 --> 02:22:35,280
over a week ago our 20th wedding

2768
02:22:40,250 --> 02:22:36,750
anniversary

2769
02:22:42,830 --> 02:22:40,260
oh man congratulations and we're more in

2770
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:42,840
love now than we were when we got

2771
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:46,530
married they never had a fight well no

2772
02:22:54,650 --> 02:22:52,530
we we have our we we definitely have but

2773
02:22:58,910 --> 02:22:54,660
excuse me the one wave was he

2774
02:23:02,660 --> 02:22:58,920
embarrassed the one that we have that we

2775
02:23:06,530 --> 02:23:02,670
have learned is we blow over just about

2776
02:23:08,510 --> 02:23:06,540
as quickly as we blow up so that's good

2777
02:23:11,540 --> 02:23:08,520
so that that's the good thing and I've

2778
02:23:14,570 --> 02:23:11,550
been nursing Vicki for the last few days

2779
02:23:17,450 --> 02:23:14,580
she's right and she got hit by the

2780
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:17,460
detectives blue in California yeah well

2781
02:23:22,520 --> 02:23:20,250
she had a really bad sore throat and I

2782
02:23:26,840 --> 02:23:22,530
was pretty concerned about that but

2783
02:23:28,910 --> 02:23:26,850
luckily it seemingly has blown over but

2784
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:28,920
we're we're doing we're doing very well

2785
02:23:32,450 --> 02:23:29,850
thank you

2786
02:23:35,179 --> 02:23:32,460
well give her my best I'm sure if the

2787
02:23:37,790 --> 02:23:35,189
Jean - you know I can't wait to finally

2788
02:23:39,620 --> 02:23:37,800
meet you man we had our chance when I

2789
02:23:42,380 --> 02:23:39,630
was out there visiting Tracy and doing

2790
02:23:45,290 --> 02:23:42,390
that whole thing with him and James Fox

2791
02:23:45,951 --> 02:23:45,300
and I'm not gonna let you slide this

2792
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:45,961
time but

2793
02:23:51,081 --> 02:23:49,530
oh I know I know and I forget now what

2794
02:23:56,180 --> 02:23:51,091
there were some things that had come up

2795
02:23:58,821 --> 02:23:56,190
but you know it's too bad that the day

2796
02:24:02,121 --> 02:23:58,831
that you were out there shooting you

2797
02:24:04,251 --> 02:24:02,131
know they had me come in - yeah and we

2798
02:24:05,631 --> 02:24:04,261
missed each other I mean we it was at

2799
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:05,641
different times but it would have been

2800
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:08,490
nice if if we could have met up there

2801
02:24:14,241 --> 02:24:10,650
okay what guys we have one more segment

2802
02:24:17,241 --> 02:24:14,251
to do with Don Ecker of the dark matters

2803
02:24:19,161 --> 02:24:17,251
radio show and maybe some more questions

2804
02:24:21,980 --> 02:24:19,171
of our listeners all this and more

2805
02:24:30,711 --> 02:24:21,990
coming up with gene and Chris you're in

2806
02:24:33,540 --> 02:24:30,721
the para cast thank you for listening to

2807
02:24:40,540 --> 02:24:37,980
visit GP and live.com today

2808
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:40,550
first game attack of the rockets and it

2809
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:42,319
was a critically acclaimed success and

2810
02:24:46,809 --> 02:24:44,450
now there's the coming of the protectors

2811
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:46,819
a former military intelligence man is

2812
02:24:51,130 --> 02:24:49,130
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2813
02:24:53,320 --> 02:24:51,140
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2814
02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:53,330
because evil forces on our distant

2815
02:24:57,730 --> 02:24:55,370
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2816
02:25:00,160 --> 02:24:57,740
this is gripping science fiction of the

2817
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,170
classic kind attack of the rock codes

2818
02:25:04,179 --> 02:25:02,240
and the coming of the protectors find

2819
02:25:08,260 --> 02:25:04,189
out more at rawhides calm

2820
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2822
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2825
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2831
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2832
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:41,149
this alert just came in this special

2833
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:42,890
announcement is for business owners and

2834
02:25:47,370 --> 02:25:45,170
leaders of organizations who've been

2835
02:25:49,990 --> 02:25:47,380
waiting for the right time to build

2836
02:25:51,790 --> 02:25:50,000
general steel has made it impossible to

2837
02:25:54,010 --> 02:25:51,800
wait any longer with rock-bottom prices

2838
02:25:56,260 --> 02:25:54,020
that could save you thousands that's

2839
02:25:58,389 --> 02:25:56,270
right general steel America's leader in

2840
02:26:00,280 --> 02:25:58,399
pre engineered structures is offering

2841
02:26:02,830 --> 02:26:00,290
buildings at prices you will never see

2842
02:26:05,889 --> 02:26:02,840
again don't miss these prices a 50 by

2843
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:05,899
100 for under $30,000 you heard right

2844
02:26:10,660 --> 02:26:08,810
that's 5000 square feet under $30,000

2845
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:10,670
manufacturers if you need a larger

2846
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:12,890
building try a 100 by 100 commercial

2847
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:14,090
building for a hundred and twenty nine

2848
02:26:18,490 --> 02:26:16,130
thousand you can't afford to rent with

2849
02:26:20,019 --> 02:26:18,500
these prices imagine a 70 by 100 foot

2850
02:26:21,820 --> 02:26:20,029
church building for under sixty nine

2851
02:26:23,740 --> 02:26:21,830
thousand dollars with the economy

2852
02:26:25,870 --> 02:26:23,750
improving and interest rate still at

2853
02:26:28,540 --> 02:26:25,880
historic lows you can't afford to wait

2854
02:26:30,610 --> 02:26:28,550
so call eight six six ninety one steel

2855
02:26:32,980 --> 02:26:30,620
lock in your price now take delivery in

2856
02:26:36,670 --> 02:26:32,990
spring eight six six ninety one steel

2857
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:36,680
that's eight six six nine one seven 83

2858
02:26:44,290 --> 02:26:42,410
35 who says things can't go down before

2859
02:26:46,460 --> 02:26:44,300
they go up the freeze-dried guy that's

2860
02:26:49,130 --> 02:26:46,470
who the freeze-dried guy is Justin

2861
02:26:51,320 --> 02:26:49,140
of a 2014 manufacturers price increase

2862
02:26:52,969 --> 02:26:51,330
on mountain house freeze-dried foods so

2863
02:26:55,490 --> 02:26:52,979
what is he doing about mountain house

2864
02:26:58,370 --> 02:26:55,500
food prices going up the freeze dry guy

2865
02:26:59,929 --> 02:26:58,380
is bringing down prices 20% down for the

2866
02:27:01,969 --> 02:26:59,939
rest of 2013

2867
02:27:03,950 --> 02:27:01,979
delicious freeze-dried foods like beef

2868
02:27:06,559 --> 02:27:03,960
stroganoff green beans have lasagna with

2869
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:06,569
meat sauce are 20% off through December

2870
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,210
31st freeze-dried peas diced chicken and

2871
02:27:15,229 --> 02:27:11,520
more are 20% off now through December

2872
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,239
31st go to freeze-dry guide.com freeze

2873
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:18,000
dry guide.com or call eight six six four

2874
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:20,489
zero four three six six three eight six

2875
02:27:26,210 --> 02:27:22,800
six four zero four food hurry before

2876
02:27:28,099 --> 02:27:26,220
mountain houses 2014 prices load up now

2877
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:28,109
on tasty freeze-dried foods with a

2878
02:27:30,769 --> 02:27:30,000
guaranteed shelf-life of twenty five

2879
02:27:32,840 --> 02:27:30,779
years or more

2880
02:27:35,000 --> 02:27:32,850
who says ending new year on a down note

2881
02:27:36,530 --> 02:27:35,010
isn't a good thing get mountain house

2882
02:27:39,740 --> 02:27:36,540
food down 20%

2883
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:39,750
only at freeze-dried guide.com you're

2884
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:40,290
fired

2885
02:27:43,460 --> 02:27:41,130
according to the Small Business

2886
02:27:45,380 --> 02:27:43,470
Administration seventy-five percent of

2887
02:27:47,330 --> 02:27:45,390
small businesses plan to eliminate jobs

2888
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:47,340
or reduce workers hours to part-time

2889
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:49,439
your fire according to Gallup the

2890
02:27:52,429 --> 02:27:50,970
unemployment rate recently jumped to

2891
02:27:54,410 --> 02:27:52,439
nearly nine percent and the

2892
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:54,420
underemployment rate hit a staggering

2893
02:27:58,910 --> 02:27:56,880
seventeen point nine percent your fire

2894
02:28:01,040 --> 02:27:58,920
one out of three young adults and one

2895
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:01,050
out of two recent college graduates are

2896
02:28:04,820 --> 02:28:03,600
underemployed hello I'm Keith Abel a

2897
02:28:07,130 --> 02:28:04,830
pharmacist and a home business

2898
02:28:08,780 --> 02:28:07,140
entrepreneur in 2011 I became one of

2899
02:28:10,190 --> 02:28:08,790
those statistics myself instead of

2900
02:28:12,170 --> 02:28:10,200
looking for another job in corporate

2901
02:28:14,300 --> 02:28:12,180
America I joined dr. Joel Wallach the

2902
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:14,310
dead doctors don't lag I we're creating

2903
02:28:17,870 --> 02:28:16,080
steady incomes for ourselves and would

2904
02:28:19,070 --> 02:28:17,880
like to show you how to do the same if

2905
02:28:21,469 --> 02:28:19,080
you want to supplement your current

2906
02:28:22,639 --> 02:28:21,479
income replace your income so you don't

2907
02:28:24,889 --> 02:28:22,649
have to become one of the statistics

2908
02:28:27,590 --> 02:28:24,899
then give me a call toll free at eight

2909
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:27,600
six six two five seven three one zero

2910
02:28:32,420 --> 02:28:30,720
five eight six six two five seven three

2911
02:28:33,469 --> 02:28:32,430
one zero five you're fired

2912
02:28:35,300 --> 02:28:33,479
don't wait til you hear those words

2913
02:28:37,849 --> 02:28:35,310
start creating an extra income today

2914
02:28:39,880 --> 02:28:37,859
eight six six two five seven three one

2915
02:28:46,750 --> 02:28:39,890
zero five

2916
02:28:48,910 --> 02:28:46,760
[Music]

2917
02:28:50,890 --> 02:28:48,920
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2918
02:28:58,230 --> 02:28:50,900
listening to the Peres cast

2919
02:29:02,530 --> 02:29:00,880
we have Don Ecker joining us for

2920
02:29:04,780 --> 02:29:02,540
year-end or on the para cast with Jean

2921
02:29:06,970 --> 02:29:04,790
and Chris Chris do we have any more

2922
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:06,980
questions in the hopper sounds like a

2923
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:09,170
commercial for a satellite service but

2924
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:13,370
forget about that well we do and I'm

2925
02:29:17,950 --> 02:29:15,680
looking at Stone Hart who is one of our

2926
02:29:21,850 --> 02:29:17,960
most active members at forum dr. Barrick

2927
02:29:24,730 --> 02:29:21,860
ascom he's rapidly approaching the three

2928
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:24,740
thousand message or post Club at the

2929
02:29:30,730 --> 02:29:27,920
Forum which is really impressive

2930
02:29:36,370 --> 02:29:30,740
he's also with watches by the way well

2931
02:29:40,300 --> 02:29:36,380
he's also received a Jean 2300 likes for

2932
02:29:42,150 --> 02:29:40,310
just under 3000 posts I mean that should

2933
02:29:46,090 --> 02:29:42,160
give you an idea of this guy's

2934
02:29:48,270 --> 02:29:46,100
participation and he has as his avatar I

2935
02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:48,280
love it he's got a Dark Side of the Moon

2936
02:29:53,980 --> 02:29:50,690
unfolding and the light coming up into

2937
02:29:57,160 --> 02:29:53,990
the pyramid and creating you know the

2938
02:30:00,490 --> 02:29:57,170
wonderful prism and he has a flaming

2939
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,500
cover of which you were here with the

2940
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:02,840
two executives shaking hands with each

2941
02:30:08,490 --> 02:30:04,850
other one of them on fire I just I mean

2942
02:30:11,490 --> 02:30:08,500
I love this he asked the question dawn

2943
02:30:15,880 --> 02:30:11,500
what do you know about the term quote

2944
02:30:20,440 --> 02:30:15,890
enemy helicopters unquote in regards to

2945
02:30:23,410 --> 02:30:20,450
the Vietnam conflict okay I saw that now

2946
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:23,420
you've got to remember that in the

2947
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:27,410
context that I was involved in in

2948
02:30:38,530 --> 02:30:33,040
Vietnam now Jesus about 40 years ago

2949
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:38,540
enemy helicopters met cement something

2950
02:30:45,910 --> 02:30:41,840
completely different than the context

2951
02:30:48,670 --> 02:30:45,920
that it has today today if you say about

2952
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:48,680
quote unquote an enemy helicopter

2953
02:30:58,780 --> 02:30:52,130
activity in Vietnam and one guy that

2954
02:31:02,200 --> 02:30:58,790
used that in the thing as as a UFO cover

2955
02:31:05,140 --> 02:31:02,210
was a it was Bill Cooper use that a

2956
02:31:08,470 --> 02:31:05,150
number of times to suggest that there

2957
02:31:09,880 --> 02:31:08,480
were a lot of strange unusual things

2958
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:09,890
that were happening in Vietnam that

2959
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:10,370
could

2960
02:31:17,650 --> 02:31:14,570
associated with enemy helicopter

2961
02:31:18,310 --> 02:31:17,660
activity as a cover name when I was

2962
02:31:23,770 --> 02:31:18,320
there

2963
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:23,780
enemy helicopters were completely

2964
02:31:30,460 --> 02:31:27,650
different now this is something a lot of

2965
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:30,470
people are not aware of or if they did

2966
02:31:37,410 --> 02:31:34,370
hear it they probably forgot it but in

2967
02:31:41,370 --> 02:31:37,420
the war there were more than just

2968
02:31:44,591 --> 02:31:41,380
Vietcong and North Vietnamese military

2969
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:44,601
personnel that we were in conflict with

2970
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:46,730
you have done they didn't have

2971
02:31:54,011 --> 02:31:50,690
helicopters yeah they did they did and

2972
02:31:58,780 --> 02:31:54,021
and one of the they did they were

2973
02:32:01,150 --> 02:31:58,790
Russian helicopters or you know Chinese

2974
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:01,160
kind of black market thing but I mean

2975
02:32:06,660 --> 02:32:03,920
they can do you know how many American

2976
02:32:09,970 --> 02:32:06,670
Choppers were shot down and how many

2977
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:09,980
probably were recovered the same way

2978
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:13,010
that the Germans during World War two

2979
02:32:21,220 --> 02:32:16,730
recovered b-17 bombers and patched them

2980
02:32:22,570 --> 02:32:21,230
up and then use them okay documented

2981
02:32:26,170 --> 02:32:22,580
fact well let me finish

2982
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:26,180
yeah yeah about the UFO the because that

2983
02:32:31,420 --> 02:32:28,730
that has always been something that a

2984
02:32:34,780 --> 02:32:31,430
lot of people have questioned is the

2985
02:32:37,480 --> 02:32:34,790
very term enemy helicopters using that

2986
02:32:41,410 --> 02:32:37,490
term to actually refer to UFO sightings

2987
02:32:45,730 --> 02:32:41,420
they were not used routinely by the

2988
02:32:48,761 --> 02:32:45,740
Communists but there were instances and

2989
02:32:51,640 --> 02:32:48,771
cases where and this is what I started

2990
02:32:54,130 --> 02:32:51,650
to say there were were other groups of

2991
02:32:57,810 --> 02:32:54,140
people there besides the Vietnamese and

2992
02:33:03,070 --> 02:32:57,820
landfall were involved with Chinese

2993
02:33:07,410 --> 02:33:03,080
special forces that were in contact in

2994
02:33:09,430 --> 02:33:07,420
certain areas of the country and Russian

2995
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:09,440
Special Forces troops

2996
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:13,120
Spets nets there were documented cases

2997
02:33:22,350 --> 02:33:17,150
as a matter of fact the Soviet sniper

2998
02:33:24,190 --> 02:33:22,360
rifle the Dragunov which was introduced

2999
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:24,200
by the rush

3000
02:33:30,761 --> 02:33:27,650
during the Vietnam War they sent because

3001
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:30,771
it was so top secret at the time they

3002
02:33:40,810 --> 02:33:36,290
sent Soviet Spetsnaz troops into South

3003
02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:40,820
Vietnam to test that rifle on American

3004
02:33:46,530 --> 02:33:43,370
troops this is something that's not well

3005
02:33:48,580 --> 02:33:46,540
known yeah wow that's that's very

3006
02:33:50,261 --> 02:33:48,590
interesting because we're talking to

3007
02:33:53,261 --> 02:33:50,271
still to this day state-of-the-art

3008
02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:53,271
technology but but in terms of that the

3009
02:34:01,301 --> 02:33:57,530
whole UFO connotation I mean do you feel

3010
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:01,311
that let's say we have any sort of

3011
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:04,730
potential documentation of actual UFO

3012
02:34:10,450 --> 02:34:07,730
activity yes it was documented by our

3013
02:34:12,780 --> 02:34:10,460
military or by other militaries yeah

3014
02:34:15,160 --> 02:34:12,790
during the Vietnam War and and that's

3015
02:34:17,410 --> 02:34:15,170
somebody should write a book about that

3016
02:34:21,091 --> 02:34:17,420
do you know of any books that have been

3017
02:34:24,250 --> 02:34:21,101
written about UFO reports in and around

3018
02:34:28,540 --> 02:34:24,260
Vietnam and and in the areas of conflict

3019
02:34:33,970 --> 02:34:28,550
in the 60s and 70s yes and one case in

3020
02:34:37,330 --> 02:34:33,980
particular took place in 1968 actually

3021
02:34:42,341 --> 02:34:37,340
geographically very close to where I was

3022
02:34:46,390 --> 02:34:42,351
at on the 30th of March when we were

3023
02:34:48,730 --> 02:34:46,400
overrun on the DMZ by the Communists at

3024
02:34:51,850 --> 02:34:48,740
the start of the Easter offensive this

3025
02:34:56,591 --> 02:34:51,860
was a case that took place you see

3026
02:34:59,230 --> 02:34:56,601
during the war up through 68 69 in the

3027
02:35:03,671 --> 02:34:59,240
area that I was in had been heavily

3028
02:35:06,970 --> 02:35:03,681
heavily filled up with Marines during

3029
02:35:09,820 --> 02:35:06,980
the war and I it was called I Corps the

3030
02:35:13,511 --> 02:35:09,830
very tip of South Vietnam to the north

3031
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:13,521
the very tip was I Corps and in I forget

3032
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:15,760
now the month I have have this

3033
02:35:23,020 --> 02:35:20,290
documentation a mortar counter battery

3034
02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:23,030
set up that the Marines had been running

3035
02:35:30,650 --> 02:35:26,090
in other words they could they used

3036
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:30,660
radar and if we were being shelled

3037
02:35:36,500 --> 02:35:33,570
the radar would pick up the incoming

3038
02:35:39,830 --> 02:35:36,510
rounds from the Communists and they

3039
02:35:43,250 --> 02:35:39,840
could then document and and send

3040
02:35:45,170 --> 02:35:43,260
counterbattery fire back at the north

3041
02:35:48,889 --> 02:35:45,180
vietnamese guns that were shooting at us

3042
02:35:52,250 --> 02:35:48,899
and this guy was in there when they

3043
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:52,260
detected as they they called it at the

3044
02:35:59,480 --> 02:35:55,050
time they thought it was an enemy

3045
02:36:02,570 --> 02:35:59,490
helicopter and they immediately radioed

3046
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:02,580
for some phantom jets that were in the

3047
02:36:07,790 --> 02:36:05,040
area to come in and and take this

3048
02:36:11,330 --> 02:36:07,800
helicopter out well they were Marine

3049
02:36:14,420 --> 02:36:11,340
pilots they flew in they detected this

3050
02:36:18,020 --> 02:36:14,430
whatever it was on their radar they

3051
02:36:21,380 --> 02:36:18,030
launched missiles at it hit it blow it

3052
02:36:25,300 --> 02:36:21,390
up and the thing went down well the next

3053
02:36:28,010 --> 02:36:25,310
morning they sent a recon team and

3054
02:36:31,850 --> 02:36:28,020
discover what the heck this thing was

3055
02:36:34,969 --> 02:36:31,860
and the only thing they could find no

3056
02:36:38,510 --> 02:36:34,979
debris at all which in itself was very

3057
02:36:41,929 --> 02:36:38,520
unusual no debris the only thing they

3058
02:36:45,679 --> 02:36:41,939
found was a blackened hard spot no

3059
02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:45,689
material no craft no nothing well done

3060
02:36:50,090 --> 02:36:48,210
next time we have you on one thing that

3061
02:36:52,730 --> 02:36:50,100
I really like to discuss with you and

3062
02:36:55,969 --> 02:36:52,740
I'm not sure if we've done this a prior

3063
02:36:58,450 --> 02:36:55,979
is talk about some of the reports for

3064
02:37:02,750 --> 02:36:58,460
instance Bill English talked about a a

3065
02:37:04,850 --> 02:37:02,760
b-52 that was set down not crashed into

3066
02:37:08,179 --> 02:37:04,860
the jungle and there were human

3067
02:37:10,580 --> 02:37:08,189
mutilation cases supposedly aboard total

3068
02:37:13,490 --> 02:37:10,590
crap total crap and as a matter of fact

3069
02:37:18,530 --> 02:37:13,500
they did I did a report on that bill

3070
02:37:19,250 --> 02:37:18,540
English is another delusional fantasies

3071
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:19,260
okay

3072
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:23,010
he made this crap up he supposedly had

3073
02:37:28,639 --> 02:37:25,920
been another Green Beret another special

3074
02:37:31,310 --> 02:37:28,649
forces guy like Phil and Bragg know when

3075
02:37:33,290 --> 02:37:31,320
in fact English was too young to have

3076
02:37:35,810 --> 02:37:33,300
served in Vietnam he never served in

3077
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:35,820
Vietnam when he was in the army he was a

3078
02:37:40,429 --> 02:37:37,770
telephone line repairman

3079
02:37:42,429 --> 02:37:40,439
Chris I know where a lot of these bodies

3080
02:37:44,110 --> 02:37:42,439
are buried

3081
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:44,120
we're going to have to bury some more

3082
02:37:48,370 --> 02:37:45,760
bodies because we're about out of time

3083
02:37:51,370 --> 02:37:48,380
done thanks a lot for your help with the

3084
02:37:53,500 --> 02:37:51,380
book and I look forward to getting your

3085
02:37:54,370 --> 02:37:53,510
feedback about it I look forward to

3086
02:37:56,830 --> 02:37:54,380
reading it

3087
02:37:58,690 --> 02:37:56,840
hey Don Ecker tell her listeners where

3088
02:38:02,350 --> 02:37:58,700
they can find more of your stuff well

3089
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:02,360
you go up to Facebook and you look for

3090
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:06,170
Don Ecker and I've got a Facebook page

3091
02:38:10,510 --> 02:38:08,570
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3092
02:38:12,910 --> 02:38:10,520
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3093
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3096
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3099
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